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Post by bakergirl on Apr 3, 2003 14:07:57 GMT -5
 Doesn't anyone like Nick anymore?  It seems that lately a lot of our fellow "Guardian" fans out there are getting on the *LuLu* wagon, and feel the need to analyze every single inch of her being! I love "The Guardian"; and most of the characters are great, and interresting enough to talk about - not only LuLu! Although, I could talk about Nick all the time!  There's Burton; who is charismatic and smart. Alvin; who has his moments of: "You're late, Mr Fallin". ;D Jake; who can be very funny but is also a snake! James; very much involved in his work, and emotional about his cases. Barbara; who also can be very funny and bright, and she can break up a tense moment with her smile. Laurie; she is very classy and somehow able to reach Nick, and could be a big support to him -- I think he would be able to trust her! .....And then there's *Nick*, who is always my # 1 favourite, and we could forever talk about him!  JUST WONDERING....... |
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Post by Jeannie on Apr 3, 2003 14:38:41 GMT -5
Exactly, bakergirl. It seems like every plot, spoiler and review is filtered through the LuLu character and how it affects Nick and LuLu. I like the "whole" show and the is just one small part of it. I especially love the shows that focus on children's issues, the actors are exceptional and the shows very moving and satisfying. The interaction between father and son was one of the things that originally really caught my interest in this show.
My original reaction to Claire was that she would be causing friction between Burton and Nick. I liked her the way I like Jake, they show a less "moral" side as a nice counterpoint to Nick's strong moral centre and always trying to do what is best. Except with reguard to Kim of course!
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on Apr 3, 2003 15:00:03 GMT -5
Hi. Good points. But the scene that first got my attention on TG was that kiss in Shelter. I don't know why....I've seen lots of kissing and more on television.
In fact, I'd seen TG before and was kind of creeped out by Nick. I think it was episode where he supposedly sleeps with an underage girl. I have a teenage girl so that really turned me off. In fact, I didn't even think he was particularly attractive!
But somehow the Nick character just got under my skin. He was in such pain, and such an ass! But you could see him trying so hard to be a better person, even though he still screwed up a lot.
I think it was inevitable that once DH introduced a love interest for Nick a lot of focus would go that way. Just human nature. I mean, I'm fascinated by the whole ensemble (well, except for LuLu maybe) but if Nick and LuLu don't do something soon, I think a lot of fans out there will go crazy.
Anyway, I hope the Nick/LuLu thing will step back a bit and make way for other story lines -- especially stuff involving Burton. I miss Nick and Burton hissing at each other and fumbling around, trying to work out their issues.
I'd also like to see a love interest for Burton. I don't know about you, but I think he's way sexy!
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Post by jevees on Apr 3, 2003 15:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by cecilia on Apr 3, 2003 15:31:10 GMT -5
Completely agree. AS a matter of fact, today I started to feel fed up and decided to let it to rosiiiii and sarah, who are giving us a lot of fun with their story....but let´s LL rest for a while!  I´m for Alvin and getting HIM a love interest (I do like him... and the way he looks at Nick, that looks that says: boy, I know you better than you can imagine....), and also for Burton getting one. I also agree with total.....the kiss in shelter was really something....maybe that´s why so many of us got hooked there, and wanted more.....I still grin when I remember Nick´s expressions when he was standing at the porche and looked up I´m completely gone for Nick, but what first attracted me was the rich-drug abuser-lawyer against mistreated kids,......I want it back really badly, even when I am a Nick-LuLu fan.....but if the fanfic writers can keep giving us that material I wouldn´t be worried if the shows go back to the lonely-grumpy-spoilt Nick and dedicates more time to the cases....  .....mmmm, this is kind of messy, but I feel sort of sleepy....maybe the beginning of the fall.....hope you understand!.... .....  ....and what I´ve been posting about the songs that matches with Nick´s feelings...this is something I ´d enjoy and feel like a little break...  |
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Post by bakergirl on Apr 3, 2003 15:52:35 GMT -5
Hey Cecilia,  Go back to "Back In The Ring",.......I gave you the clue to the smiley.!!!!! |
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Post by jevees on Apr 3, 2003 16:00:21 GMT -5
OK, I´m going to be very honest about Alvin, cecilia.. I just don´t like him so i hope Burton steals Laurie and he stays alone for the rest of his miserable life Well maybe not that much just ten years... Sorry I know that there are a lot of fans that likes him but he didn´t touch my heart yet. I think he treats Nick as rubbish so ... if you mess with my boy you´re messing with me... You know when he was angry with Nick when he used LSOP children with the tracker thing... he kicked Nick off at the end of the episoded saying that they were covered and they don´t need him... that was so mean.....  Besides that he didn´t count nick´s hours with the client who wants to assist to parties to look for foster parents..sorry i don´t remember his name...but N also did it because Laurie asked him to....isn´t he adorable  ... so i dislike Alvin very much...come on he doesn´t even appeared to much in the show at least in the last episodes... |
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Post by cecilia on Apr 3, 2003 17:10:36 GMT -5
Sorry, Jevees....I like him a lot....I find him an attractive man....and a guy who is also recovering from his addiction and trying to do right (trying to make a difference, Amanda would say....eew, I never liked her at all!....that hair, and the lipstick, and the way she kept saying that...to the space, because no one , but Jake, did ever listen to her .....)....addicts know other addicts better than anyone else....and Alvin knows Nick number very well.....but I don´t want Alvin having an affaire with Laurie....Burton can keep her forever!....she is way too old for him!....I´m talking about someone younger, in her fourties or early fifties, strong, with children..... and yes, someone who doesn´t care about guys clothes....he is TERROR at that department!  Bakergirl, this is for you....(as far as I am more a fallingirl....I´m not sure I like Simon out of Nick....) I found out the reason I never bought the kim-nick-sex-thing-whatever is that never looked like nick....( I only saw the nickcaps and read the scripts....ok? oh, and heard the files... and that scene at the incline with LL and Brian....I´M GONNA NEVER BELIEVE "MY" NICK WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SORT OF DISGUSTING CONVERSATION...and the laughing....I don´t want Nick laughing....I love him suffering...that´s why I am for LuLu and not the other girls: she is the one who brings angst to his life....besides, we never,´til then, see him having ANY kind of conversation ...)....all the time was more SB, or the SB you girls happen to talk about: relaxed, smiling, sociable....I never understood WHY IN HELL would nick want to take kim to a fine restaurant......yes, to run into LuLu and make her wonder what she was letting go....but again, I love the tie, and briefcase, and the stone face, and the bad moods, and that air of "hey, I´m rich and handsome and the helluva lawyer and you´re nothing but a bunch of losers...."....I can´t help it, is in my motto: I´m for bad boys!....back to the subject....IMO,VHO, Nick is far more Nick when he is mean and naughty than when Simon shows up!....but I´m open to learn and grow up a fan of SB inside me, so please, tell me what makes you adore the Sun God, besides the look (and the hands and the voice and the way he lingers on doors....)....  ....and could become a nice girl and start liking nice boys, happily married and devoted fathers.... |
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Post by cecilia on Apr 3, 2003 17:34:16 GMT -5
(completely out of topic....but dying to know....what is that sesame street thing?.... ::)I´m a partner at F&F now, so I could be allowed to know, don´t you think so?)..... ;D
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Post by lambertoise on Apr 3, 2003 17:43:05 GMT -5
Doesn't anyone like Nick anymore? I love "The Guardian"; ... Although, I could talk about Nick all the time! James; very much involved in his work, and emotional about his cases. Barbara; who also can be very funny and bright, and she can break up a tense moment with her smile. Laurie; she is very classy and somehow able to reach Nick, and could be a big support to him -- I think he would be able to trust her! .....And then there's *Nick*, who is always my # 1 favourite, and we could forever talk about him! There is no need to worry, Nick -and his adventures, happy or sad- , is the MAIN reason we keep watching TG, even after a disappointing episode. Nick is never disappointing. The Nick fix can be, but not his character. LuLu is interesting because of the effect she has on him. And the writers should have got to the point a month ago to say the least. But without this kind a relationship, Nick could have been only a son of a bitch (Laurie's assessment). Now, he is becoming a human being, with many sides we slowly discover. Regardinf the other characters, I don't think there is a lack of interest from the members of this board. But when was the last time we saw Laurie (my favorite supporting role with Burton) ? And Barbara was away again this week, so there isn't much we can say about her. So don't worry, Bakergirl, Nick Fallin/Simon Baker is still deep in our heart. |
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Post by jevees on Apr 3, 2003 17:50:04 GMT -5
So don't worry, Bakergirl, Nick Fallin/Simon Baker is still deep in our heart. And he`s never going to leave!, he is our |
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Post by Rosiiii1 on Apr 3, 2003 17:55:02 GMT -5
You know what? I love Nick. I like the storyline, because I want what Nick wants - and that's Lulu. Simon Baker is so mesmerizing and charismatic playing someone in the throes and angst of love (for the first time), that I can't help pining away right along with him. I usually only end up talking about or "analyzing Lulu," when I hear criticisms from others. When I'm watching with those who also like the storyline, we take the show in and enjoy it - and there's no need to de-construct and detail every scene for motivations. I found recently that I was posting too much in defense of Lulu, instead of relaying what I liked and talking with people who enjoyed what was being presented. So I changed some things, and I'm back to feeling that cool anticipatory joyous way I did during the first season, when I couldn't wait for Tuesdays (even though it meant the beginning of the work week -- eek!  ) What is wonderful, obvious and straightforward to me, is problematic and a quandary for someone else -- and you know what, that's okay...they can discuss that amongst themselves. Opposing viewpoints sometimes leads to both camps not seeing the forest for the trees, i.e, the show being the forest in this case. Now I just watch the show and enjoy what I enjoy, and I'm not ashamed to say, that I want to see Nick go through the trials and tribulations, joys and pains of being in love. Nick's character is on a journey, I think David Hollander and Simon Baker like him enough that they want him to eventually get someplace - they want him to grow. (They've said this if I'm not mistaken). That being said, he can't completely go back to being an asshole, but I suppose he could slip up, the difference between then and now however - would be that it might devastate him. Which is why though he can still be an ass, he's not as big of an ass as he was. While he used to just want his bed buddies, and two-night stands, he's been pining away for Lulu now for about a year (in TV time). While he used to have this simmering, deep seated resentment and anger towards Burton, which had him looking like the wayward angry son every time he stepped into Burton's office - now he can smile and even wryly joke back with his Dad, even looking at him with great affection at times. Nick's going somewhere, and because he is a handsome devil, sensitive and sexy as all hell - I love seeing him get to a point where he's not just with a woman he wants for one night or one month, but where he cares about her deeply, even loves her -- that's Lulu. I want to see how Nick deals, how that affects him, how that enhances him, or hurts him. As to Big Daddy... I love Burton, but so far he's been wasted with the 12 year old and her grandma Farrah. Although I'll reserve judgement until I see the upcoming ep, I didn't think the girl was a particularly appealing/interesting kid (unlike say Leslie in "Heart", or Hunter from the "Pilot"), plus the whole storyline is just too creepy for me - i.e., the connection to the dead Mandy Gressler from Nick's living room. I admit in the past I FF'd thru FF's (haha) and grandddaughter's scenes. I would love to see Burton in a relationship that might help him out and enhance what he and Nick are starting to have. Jobeth Williams was a great girlfriend for instance, who had his number completely - they were fun to watch. Caroline would be a handful but that would be fun to watch as well -- besides, it seems she really doesn't love "Jerry," that much from what she said and did in the last ep. Ultimately, as a human drama, I think life, family and love is what TG is about. The cases they have and the people they encounter are how we get to see them change and grow, or not -- and ultimately those lessons illustrate who these people are, and should enrich them. Seeing Burton sitting in his recliner soulfully remembering and watching the slides of Anne, and little Nick on the beach....his view focuses just on Anne at the last, and in Burton's eyes, you know he's remembering the good times and the love he had with her -- that he's wondering what his life would have been like if she had lived, and they had stayed together....you know he misses her.... I want Nick to experience that. |
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Post by cecilia on Apr 3, 2003 18:20:23 GMT -5
....and don´t wanna wag the dog (is this right?), but I´ve already posted somewhere else and nobody answered: it really annoyed me when SB pushe (shoved?) Kirstin Davies during the GG, on stage....I ´m a big fan of sex and the city and love charlotte, and hate that he didn´t even make a joke or apologize....maybe that´s why SB doesn´t get under my skin....but I think they made a terrific couple together!  |
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Post by Rosiiii1 on Apr 3, 2003 18:27:12 GMT -5
He shoved her?? What? Are you kidding? I'll have to go back and watch my tape!
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Post by cecilia on Apr 3, 2003 19:28:31 GMT -5
He shoved her?? What? Are you kidding? I'll have to go back and watch my tape! Go do it!....I have it taped it, and watched it more than once, because he looked reeeeeeeeeeeally rude!....and she is soooooo cute!......I jumped when I saw them walking together....my two favorite tv characters holding hands.....but then ....he did " it"....that was not the SB everybody was talking about, nice and sweet.....mmmmmmm.....makes me wonder....what IF SB is playing the good boy to fool us, and he is naughty when he is off the camera?.... ::)THEN I LOVED HIM! |
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.....mmmm, this is kind of messy, but I feel sort of sleepy....maybe the beginning of the fall.....hope you understand!....
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