Spoilers about burton and Ernie!

[Sarah]

In regards to the steamy previews...

On another board, the question was raised as to where the Nick and Lulu story will go from here, now that their relationship has been consumated and the apparent URST is gone...

I think, personally, that DH has opened up a lot more storyline possibilities by finally letting them make the transition from friends to lovers. For me, seeing how they handle "the after effect" and any potential consequences or reprocussions for their actions is much more interesting than the continued "will they/won't they -- let's invite a third party to stand in their way" routine. That was getting nowhere, fast. Although the two had some great scenes together as they continued their dance between what could be and what was, I believe the best is yet to come for them.

By no means do I think it will be easy to keep up the tension, or that a Hallmark-card sweet or Disney-type happy ending is in the works...but I do see this (the "hot, new relationship) as just the beginning for the next phase of Nick and Lulu, and that their *relationship* is far from over.

While its yet to be determined as to whether or not Nick has these "intimacy issues" that Lulu brings into question, its apparent that he is the instigator for at least the amorous display at the office when Alvin catches them in Burton and Ernie. Is he responsible for taking the initiative with the public sex in the April 22nd episode, What it Means to You as well? Probably. Will this cause problems with Lulu? More than likely. The way I see it, as I said before, if Lulu wanted empty sex, she could've stayed with Brian. I really do think that DH is going to use Lulu to get to Nick, to further expose a side of him that remains unseen. A trade off of sorts, if he can challenge Lulu sexually -- than challenging him emotionally is fair game. If Lulu lets him get close to her physically, he has to let her inside emotionally... but can he? This might be the true test to keep viewers intrigued, moving past the "will they/won't they" and throwing in a more difficult obstacle in their already tumultuous path that hits right at their emotional core.. . the heart.

Which leads me to raise another question, in regards to the spontaneity of their amorous displays. I'm not so much doubting that there hasn't been much to "build up" to this moment for them, but more so suspicious about the nature of the behavior itself. Obviously, the two aren't teenagers with their hormones raging out of control. I understand the antagonizing wait (as its been hard on us fans too) and perhaps a sense of urgency (carpe diem!?!?)...but c'mon, these are two legal services lawyers who should know the risks of these actions. One has to wonder if the scenes have been written this way for a reason, leading up to the next challenge in Nick's life... one that he and Lulu would certainly be unprepared for.

Previously, I know someone had mentioned that it would be "too soon" for a baby to be written in, but I tend to disagree. Whether its just something DH came up with on his own to further evolve the show and the characters, or perhaps written in to accomodate WM, I think that now might be the most appropriate time -- if ever there was one -- to add this element to the show. Not only would this force Nick and Lulu to evaluate their feelings for eachother, but it would also make them both grow up in a sense. Both have volatile (at best) relationships with their parents, and their own personal relationships haven't had the most promising histories. And, while Lulu is more sure about herself emotionally -- what would this do to Nick? is he ready?

DH did say if there was a season three, big things would happen. Perhaps fatherhood, or at least the potential for, is one of these big things DH had in mind.

I guess we shall see...

[jevees]

Sarah as usual put some good stuff about the future of the realtionship between Nick and LuLu. I totally agree that Alvin discovering them having sex in the office in going to cause a problem between Nick/LuLu, maybe i think this because of LuLu expresion of total humiliation, however Nick is really enjoying the hole thing! He is so cute...... sorry I can´t stop myself...I really love this guy!
Now, i agree also about the new additions that the show is going to have with this new relation between the characters... Nick trying to open up... looking for a deeper relation...
I also think it´s a little soon for the baby, probably in the middle of the third season...i don´t think DH is going to use that now... ;D...There´s a lot of things happening now in the new episodes so i think he´d use that recurse later!
I´m just so astonish about the course that it´s taking the show....great! It´s gonna be fun to see it!

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Regarding a baby in the future....
Is WM pregnant? Is that why Lulu would get pregnant, to accommodate WM?

A baby would make sense if that's the case. Also would make sense as the ultimate challenge for Nick and Lulu -- a way to force them to seriously evaluate their relationship.

Frankly, I think Nick would be a great Dad, until his child turned 10 or 12. Then all sorts of issues would start cropping up, IMO.

[jevees]

Guys!!! Are you really sure the man who opens the door like that is Burton?? It´s seems another man!!! Take a good look at the trailer again...yeah what a sacrifice to see it again!! ;D
The person that yells at the final Nick is Jeremy..I´m pretty sure...ok maybe the voice it´s a little girly....but well....

[Sarah]

atotaltotalfan2001 said:

Regarding a baby in the future....
Is WM pregnant? Is that why LuLu would get pregnant, to accommodate WM?

A baby would make sense if that's the case. Also would make sense as the ultimate challenge for Nick and LuLu -- a way to force them to seriously evaluate their relationship.

Frankly, I think Nick would be a great Dad, until his child turned 10 or 12. Then all sorts of issues would start cropping up, IMO.

There's been speculation as to whether WM is pregnant or not. On the SBOL boards, someone suggested that her change in wardrobe was perhaps very telling -- but I didn't think much of it.

In an interview that WM did last year with People Magazine, she said that her and her husband were "definitely having kids." While she put no time frame on that quote, it's looming over readers' heads. So, the possibility is there.

For all the viewers know, this could've been something that DH had in the works or was planning on that just happened to work out, or maybe it was written in to accomodate. This is pure speculation, of course, but I think this is where the story is headed.

Of course, if a pregnancy began now on the show -- given the elapsed time -- the baby would probably arrive around February sweeps = big drama and ratings.

As Atotaltotal fan said, this type of story would definitely be the ultimate challenge for Nick and Lulu (second thought, what would their parents say? Yikes) They'd have to not only evaluate their relationship, but themselves as well... saying as that in a sense, both are still trying to "get back on their feet."

I actually think that both Nick and Lulu would make great parents, but they would both need to (at least) attempt to make amends with their own family situations before that could happen. That might be part of Nick's story that's yet to unfold...

Mr. VoiceOverMan promised us a powerful season finale, I guess its all a matter of what DH has in store.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

I think Nick would be a good Dad, but I'm not sure what kind of husband he would be.

He'd be protective I think. We've seen him do that repeatedly with LuLu, and protectiveness is a nice quality in a husband IMO.

But he still has trouble using his words. No matter how hard he works on his issues -- and no matter how much progress he makes -- I can't see him as a man who willingly talks about his feelings .

Here's betting LuLu would have to pry the words out of him when she needs to discuss emotions and stuff. Just seems to be the nature of the man.

[Rosiiii1]

Yeah, it's that "powerful," thing that TG does, that always proves so torturous. Can DH have a "powerful," finale ep this time, that won't depress all hell out of me like last season's finale? I sure hope so.

Regarding your first post Sarah -- let me just say, it was a pleasure to read...and secondly -- I agree with your assessment.

What makes TG special for me is the unique and atypical way they handle human relationships. Their storylines aren't portrayed in the usual TV drama way. For example, the Nick & LL attraction/URST didn't get resolved in season 1, she got married (!!) to someone else!! Nick's emotional tortured confession to Burton, about loving him, and moving to P'burgh to be with and work with him, actually didn't resolve anything between the two of them. No one on the show appears to be free of dysfunction, and they don't always do the right thing. It's real. The way they react, is how most people I know would react.

Regarding N&LL. I don't expect the N&LL relationship to be a fairy tale - nor do I expect, as is often the case, for the story to dry up and fade away after these characters get it on.

Most likely it will be turbulent, and tumultuous -- they may break up and get back together over and over again, they may fight like rabid dogs during the day, and make up at night, Nick may "screw-up," like he sometimes does, Lulu may do the same. They may make each other's lives pure hell.

But I have a feeling whatever comes, these characters will be bonded, and haunted by one another because the [glow=red,2,300]love will be there[/glow], whether they're together or apart, whether they admit it or not.

I have a feeling DH will make sure of this. How did he put it? --

[glow=red,2,300]"There will be someone, but it won't be easy." -- Hollander, referring to Lulu in the first season. [/glow]

[jevees]

atotaltotalfan2001 said:

But he still has trouble using his words. No matter how hard he works on his issues -- and no matter how much progress he makes -- I can't see him as a man who willingly talks about his feelings .

OK, I can´t agree more, you know he is always telling other just say it... or said the words, but when he is doing the talking and he has to speak about something deep, something about himself he just starts with the hum, mm and that ´s making me crazy! ;D
If he really is going to have a relationship with LuLu he should begin to speak and tell what´s going on in his mind and of course in his heart....
Barbara was so right when she said to LuLu he is going to be so a lot of trouble!! Enjoy!!

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Jeeves, when Barbara warned Lulu that Nick was going to be trouble, I thought she meant sexually, like he'd be after her all the time.
But you're right. He'll be trouble in other ways too.

Let me ask you something. Do you think of Nick as romantic?

I just ask because I've seen all the moony-eyed looks that Nick makes at Lulu, which is way romantic. But I don't see him as the type to take long walks on the beach etc.

[Jennifer]

atotaltotalfan2001 said:

Jeeves, when Barbara warned LuLu that Nick was going to be trouble, I thought she meant sexually, like he'd be after her all the time.
But you're right. He'll be trouble in other ways too.
Let me ask you something. Do you think of Nick as romantic? I just ask because I've seen all the moony-eyed looks that Nick makes at LuLu, which is way romantic. But I don't see him as the type to take long walks on the beach etc.

I think that is what Barbara meant too, that Nick will be trouble in a sense that he will after her all the time. As for being romantic, Nick is a man of few words and he shows his feeling by actions. In Solidarity, he brought LuLu flowers, told her he was thinking about her, etc. So I think he can be romantic. It may take awhile before he says the "L" word (love) to LuLu but, he has shown her how much he cares about her.

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Yes, the flowers were a sweet touch. But aside from the way he looks at her, I can't remember Nick taking an action that was overtly romantic.

Of course, LuLu was married most of the time, so doing obviously romantic things would have been bad form -- although bad form doesn't always seem to bother him. Let's not forget Nick hopping out of Kim's bed to make a move on LuLu! Which was a lovely scene to watch, but not a very nice thing to do to Kim.

[jevees]

Romantic? well that wouldn`t be my very fisrt thought about nick, but i think he has some stuff, like the way she looks at her or how he treats her that are charasteristics for a carring person!
Ok, i don`t imaging him being very romantic in public, but alone i think he can be a romantic guy. Hey..maybe is my wish but i imagine him walking alone in a beach feeling sorry for himself, it`s obvious that he is such a different person when he is alone! ;D
He once said to LuLu that she didn`t know him, that she didn`t know who he was?
True, so, Show as baby!

[bakergirl]

Okay, so I like all the things being said about the future of Nick & LuLu; love, sex, emotions, baby, etc. etc. - but I'm very aware of the fact that all this is more wishfull thinking than anything else!!


Now, I think that Sarah (Juliana106) and Rosiiii1 are great fan-fic writers, but I also think you guys are way ahead of yourselfs and the future of Nick & LuLu.


I think all this talking about what if......., and maybe....... is kind of spoiling the whole story-line of the show.
After all we are watching "The Guardian" and its main character's approach, and handling of his own obstacles and demons - aside of conducting his daily job of being a lawyer and Guardian!


This show is not build on or around the love life of Nick & LuLu, but it does sometimes show how Nick approaches and resolves his own physical emotions - but so far,..... not long term.
Not to say it couldn't happen between Nick & LuLu - but it's all speculation!
Maybe David Hollander has a complete different plan in mind of where the story might go.


The outburst of sexual display in public places could be just what Nick wanted - or maybe both - to get it over with! But it could also destroy their relationship, given the fact that neither one ever got to the point of being emotionally open to one another. Especially Nick, who has still major, major feelings stored inside.
The question is, does he really open up to LuLu that way ( or will she ever give him that chance) after the big pressure of *URST* is taken care of.
Maybe he's not ready or willing to go that way and/or LuLu doesn't recognize this, because she has still her own feelings - and problems - to deal with; i.e., Brian, the divorce, accident, mother Caroline, and freedom.
And so the whole relationship could end right there!!


Furthermore; an actress doesn't necessary need to be pregnant as a character, just because she's in real life.
There are many ways to work around that dilemma while filming a show or movie.
One example is Catharine Bell, who portrays *Mac* in the t.v show "JAG".


Anyway, my point is - I think - that maybe we should just let the show take its course, and unfold the way DH is planning and enjoy it just like it is,......instead of running way ahead of the plot!


Then, again, don't forget most of the spoilers we have seen so far, have been misleading - indeed!!!


And so the story goes........

[jevees]

People i watch the promo, again...OK? I discover this....There `s a girl, maybe Shannon that is saying stop it!!, then we see the someone opening a door(maybe Shannon`s) by the force(that`s Burton, i saw the suit) then we see a man I`m not so sure it`s Burton, they are similar..but...
So what do you think pay atention, I think someone(a fan) said something about Jeremy getting charged of rappe, well girls, I think we have a winner, or maybe i`m too wrong...
I`m listening your opinions...by the way this promo didn`t let me sleep very well... I`m gonna be fired from my job is the CBS continues showing those kind of things...Besides I have a weak heart! ;D

[Rosiiii1]

bakergirl wrote,

anyway, my point is - I think - that maybe we should just let the show take its course, and unfold the way DH is planning and enjoy it just like it is,......instead of running way ahead of the plot!

I disagree.

I think as stated, it's all just speculation and good fun revolving around a show and characters we like. These posts and threads are contributed to in a major way it seems by readers here. I would hope that continues.

Obviously, it is "wishful thinking," you're right. Some people think the premise of Nick Fallin, unwed father, would be very scintillating. That however, doesn't mean we're actually expecting the show to play out this way. That is purely DH's call.

You aren't telling us something we don't know, when you say things may not go down like fanfic or our conjecture, LOL....though the concern is appreciated.

Fanfics, ideas, and speculation about fav shows, occur on boards all the time. Many people enjoy these discussions. However, for those who don't -- the threads are clearly titled/labled so people will know what they're getting into, and if they don't want to "run way ahead of the plot," they can always skip the thread.

Some may feel conjecture, speculation and fanfic 'spoil' a show. I think it has the opposite effect. It creates interest and fuels excitement, particularly in down times like these and between long stretches between new episodes. For me, it's one of the reasons I post as well as read posts.