I'm soooo disappointed.

[Bethany]

I've just finished watching "What It Means To You" and I just have to say I am so disgusted with this episode!

The kissing scene in the courthouse was exceptionally phony and gratuitous. And getting it on in the bathroom of the Incline? Puh-leeeeze.

Why did they think we just wanted to see Nick and LuLu SCREW? Where's the romance, the passion? There wasn't any of it in this episode. They were supposed to get together and MAKE LOVE not have cheap, meaningless sex in semi-public places. Getting Nick and LuLu in bed together was supposed to be a magical and intimate moment, instead it was made into something...well, I can't think of anything else but to repeat myself - cheap and meaningless.

I've never posted my opinion here before, and I suspect I am standing on this soapbox alone, so I apologize if I am coming on too strong, but I am so angry at the way this was handled after waiting so long for them to finally get together that I cried for most of the episode. And, I'm sorry to say, this is the last episode I will ever watch of this show.

[spunkymungbeans]

Why did they think we just wanted to see Nick and LuLu SCREW?

Works for me.

[Rosiiii1]

I woul say it was definitely lust and sex in public places, but I didn't see it as "cheap and meaningless," LOL - to the contrary, we know these are two people who care deeply about one another -- they care more about each other than they have anyone else in their lives previously. So yeah -- maybe the perfect hearts and flowers would have been nice...but then again, where are they going to go with that?
Nick Fallin can't have a typical loving perfect relationship/romance right from the outset. That would make him whole and healthy - that would make him a guy w/o issues. Nick Fallin is not that. Lulu has her problems too.

That being said, the story is that these are two flawed people trying to overcome their issues and insecurities together. That's where the drama will be. Because of the way this was presented, they now have someplace to go (what you want to see bethany).

I think the story of this relationship will be, what Lulu will (and has) come to mean to Nick in spite of the way he is. She's under his skin, and he didn't go looking for it to happen so he'll probably be fighting it at different stages - he might get hurt, he might hurt her, he might hurt himself...this won't be perfect, but Nick will be dragged into having his heart ache for somebody, and to having a life with someone he cares about for the first time. Lulu too. That's what I want to see.

[jevees]

Bethany i respect your opinion, but I disagree!
What were you expecting? Nick to invite her to a romantic dinner with candles and all of that.... well I have to say that as much i would love to see this, I know is still not going to happens if it happens!
Is not in Nick´s character to do this.... I mean he has problems to talk about himself to anyone and you think he would just open up himself to LuLu because he cares about her, he cares about his father too, and he nearly speaks with him about his life....
Apart from that LuLu didn´t show any signs of a serious relationship either, however she tried when she invited him to dinner.
I found really sweet Nick´s reaction toward the LuLu/Brian bed.... he is just unconfortable with the situation, because it remains him that she married someone she doesn´t love insted of having a relation with him.... So i think it was CUTE! ;D
Spunky.... well said... It works for me too, for now.... then we ´ll become more demandants about this....
I LOVE THIS SHOW, MORE AND MORE, EVERY WEEK!!

[cloud9]

:)Hi Bethany and all:

Bethany, your reaction was my first reaction, too; but then, as I reflected a bit, I decided that all that sex in inappropriate situations looks like so damn much fun! These two very buttoned-down people are really living on the edge for the first time and since their love-making has begun in this crazy way, plain old bedroom sex may never be enough....Now, that could be a problem....Where will they go next.....Or will it be wherever the opportunity takes them??---It's certainly a different scenerio from the candles and flowers that I, too, had envisioned but I gotta admit, this isn't your usual story-line seen on most shows...'Can't wait to see what happens next..... ;D

(n fact, just trying to write about this ep brings one humorous double-entendre after another to my mind: e.g. 'What a ball they're having! ===Man, what a wild ride!'===etc, etc. on to some that are way too explicit to mention here....)

'Later----cloud9

[atotaltotalfan2001]

Frankly, I was relieved DH didn't opt to go the traditional route -- you know, roses and romantic dinners and long walks on the beach.

That would have been incredibly out of character for Nick. He may think he loves LuLu, and we've all seen him be protective and caring toward her, but I don't see him as a romantic guy at all -- at least not in the traditional sense.

The guy can barely say the words "I care for you." I can't begin to imagine him taking long walks on the beach, telling LuLu how much he loves her......

In fact, no matter how well adjusted Nick eventually becomes, I just can't see him being all gushy and romantic. It's just not the nature of the man

[Cassandra]

spunkymungbeans said:

Works for me.

oh yeah ...

[bakergirl]

Rosiiii,......you'd might want to skip this one.......
or keep the oxygen handy!!!!!

Bethany said:

I've just finished watching "What It Means To You" and I just have to say I am so disgusted with this episode!

The kissing scene in the courthouse was exceptionally phony and gratuitous. And getting it on in the bathroom of the Incline? Puh-leeeeze.


I've never posted my opinion here before, and I suspect I am standing on this soapbox alone, so I apologize if I am coming on too strong, but I am so angry at the way this was handled

Bethany,..............you're not alone, and even though most of the board members disagree with me also, and seem to think that it was just fabulous, they haven't seen real sexual attraction;... sensual lust and desire.....which will then lead to hot and heavy lovemaking,..... yet....IMHO.
It was disgusting and cheap t.v.

It didn't even fit in the story-line. Sometimes it seems that DH has the need, now we are nearing the end of season 2, to push the Nick/LuLu thing forward but not too permanently................because he still needs a way out!!! And I believe now for sure that this whole business is going to destroy not only the Nick and LuLu romance, but also the future of "The Guardian" show!

I think that every one who posted their dreams or speculations about what might happen in the next 2 or so episodes that's left before the finale, will all be correct in predicting some scenes.........even the spoilers might blurb some truth ---- but in the end......it never is!!!

It seems "The Guardian" has drifted so far from the original concept of the show, that it makes me miss the first season.

I'm sure I'm not the only one!!


I'll watch this show forever,......because I love Nick!! ;D ;D

[quilter]

It was very refreshing to watch Lulu and Nick in their various "love" stages. Being primative in needing each other is really what Nick and Lulu are all about.

Nothing they have done on the show is a straight path to telling each other their feelings and desires.

Each of them carry baggage that makes this show soooo different and keeps one coming back for more.

Did read where in the last episode, Nick is order into therapy. Wonder if this has anything to do with Lulu and his wild and crazy sex? ;D ;D ;D With Alvin catching them after hours at LSP one would be led to believe this uncontroled needs between the two would be the reason for the ordered therapy. Am sure we will have to wait until season three to learn the real story.

Did anyone catch the look on Nick when Alvin caught them at LSP. Lulu was talking about being caught and Nick looked very devilish.

Next week looks interesting.

[KC]

I would have to agree that the latest episode seriously damaged the relationship between Nick and Lulu. I also found it gratuitous and out of character (at least for Lulu). My feeling was that suddenly the show had changed focus from establishing believable character development and interaction, to simply winning ratings during sweeps week!

I think Nick does indeed have "intimacy issues" and he would avoid a traditional relationship. But even so, his relationship with Lulu has been the one area in his life where we have seen actual concern and real emotion for someone outside of himself. To turn the whole thing into a voracious sexual escapade played out in bathrooms and church basements cheapens and damages any real connection between the two. This relationship cannot last if it is structured on such a shaky basis and maybe that's the point, to illustrate that Nick is not capable of any emotional connection at this point. But I think Lulu is. And I think she has been portrayed as a person of depth and feeling. I cannot imagine her to allow herself to be treated like this for long. She has lost all her power, where she once held all the cards and had Nick along on a string, she has now revealed herself as needy and unstable.

I hope that something is done to repair or correct this relationship because it is what has been holding the show together.

[cecilia]

I haven´t seen this ep yet, but there´s something that bothers me. Though I was longing to see Nick and Lulu doing something , what everybody was posting make me feel odd. I think you guys are right, and this is gonna be the end, since Lulu can´t stand this kind of behaviour. Wish I´m wrong!....I´ve been rooting for them since loyalties!