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Post by thirty on Apr 23, 2003 10:46:41 GMT -5
Greetings everyone,
This is my first post...I couldn't resist chiming in on "What it means to you."
Kudos to "The Guardian" creator David Hollander.
He gets LuLu and Nick together, but in a way that leaves a whole lot of room for storytelling and clearly stating that there are big-time issues remaining with this couple. They're together in one way, but clearly NOT together in other ways. They're having sex, but the question is are they connecting in deeper ways (so to speak), ways that LuLu clearly wants and ways that Nick, just as clearly, is afraid of. (ie. the bedroom scene)..
If they'd gotten together with all the hearts and flowers.. then what? Boredom, that's what. And would that really be Nick-like? What did Barbara say to LuLu right before the aborted wedding? "He's gonna be so much trouble." Good.
This way, their relationship is precarious, volatile and likely to teeter-totter each time Nick dashes away from his feelings and with each attempt by LuLu to make him face them.....
Is this just sex, H3ll no. You just have to look at the emotion in their faces in between the clothes-ripping or just before Nick walks away - yet again. Will they make it? I haven't a clue, but the ride will be interesting that's for sure ...and that means that David Hollander is doing his job.
Thirty..
And also, I have to give Hollander credit for rejuvenating the character of LuLu after the accident..She has returned to the edgy form of the days when the character was first introduced - and I love the hair.
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Post by Jennifer on Apr 23, 2003 11:44:22 GMT -5
Greetings everyone, This is my first post...I couldn't resist chiming in on "What it means to you." Kudos to "The Guardian" creator David Hollander. And also, I have to give Hollander credit for rejuvenating the character of LuLu after the accident..She has returned to the edgy form of the days when the character was first introduced - and I love the hair. Welcome thirty! :)Well said! You made some very good point. You know what they say in tv about tv couple? The moment they happily do the deed, it means the "kiss of death". Much as I wanted the candlelight dinner for Nick and LuLu, I realize that TG doesn't do that. And I agree with your point. Nick has intimacy issues and he will have to deal with it to be able to connect with LuLu. She, on the other hand wants more than a roll in the hay and that will be an issue since Nick can't seem to open up completely with her. It will take time. This is why I like these two characters together. They are so complicated and the storyline possibilities are endless. Kudos to Mr. Hollander for a well written episode. |
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Post by jevees on Apr 23, 2003 12:14:02 GMT -5
LOVE the episode, too....Thanks DH! I think that apart from the hole sex thing which was very well done, I think there would be a lot things that they have to deal with first, so we can talk about a truly realtionship.... of course i believe they want more than the sex thing, they want a real connection.. I´m being optimistic here, i know a lot of people that just think LuLu is not in love with Nick, well i think she is....who wouldn´t with that beautiful face he has! I want to read some thoughs about the Nick´s theraphy thing... I read a post yesterday about the return of the LuLu´s stalker and nick kicking his ass.. good! (maybe in fan fic) But I imagine i would be something about the family secret, maybe Nick just loose it when someone call his mam slot or prostitute, and well that would be that!  And the following  Nick fighting....ohh yeah  |
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on Apr 23, 2003 13:08:54 GMT -5
Yes, he is. A more conventional approach to getting Nick and LuLu together would have been bad news for the show, I think.
Plus, it was really, really fun to watch.
Hopefully, this way DH will manage to maintain the sexual tension......while also giving Nick a chance to confront his intimacy issues.
Just re-watched part of the episode. I love the way Nick screws up his courage and then lunges at LuLu in that first kiss scene in the court room.
I never thought of Nick as a character who would need to work up the courage to kiss a girl. Another sign of the depth of his feelings for LuLu?
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Post by Godis on Apr 23, 2003 16:40:57 GMT -5
I totally agree with everything you guys said. I have to laugh though the way some people that watched the eppy on Monday said that it was Lulu that had intimacy issues and not Nick. It was very apparent that she wanted more from Nick and then Nick does what he does best, he runs. I think that by her getting a job offer is going to make or break them. You know if she stays, it will because of Nick. I hope she does the right thing and stays lol. I LOVED yesterday's eppy.
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Post by quilter on Apr 23, 2003 18:32:17 GMT -5
My husband and I actually laughed at parts of the show last night. It was soooo refreshing to watch the sparks fly between them. The have a great screen chemistry and know how to use it to imbed the audience in their need for each other, with Nick's unfaltering need to run.
DH has a very good show and we hope it will be on next year. Where else can you watch people who are not your "normal" romantic couple.
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Post by spunkymungbeans on Apr 23, 2003 22:39:41 GMT -5
Jeeves - its 'whole' not 'hole'.
Everytime you type 'hole' my dirty mind goes into overdrive.
Leonie
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Post by Dona on Apr 24, 2003 8:41:22 GMT -5
Instead of building on last year, DH chases away fans of the first season with an over-emphasis on one mediocre character and story-line. I don't call that smart.
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Post by Jennifer on Apr 24, 2003 9:25:53 GMT -5
Instead of building on last year, DH chases away fans of the first season with an over-emphasis on one mediocre character and story-line. I don't call that smart. With all due respect Dona, I really don't see how DH chases away fans of season one. Is this generally speaking? I see not much of a change in the ratings. They are still in the same range. Some episodes are higher than the others, but the range is pretty much the same or close. I can understand why DH wants to explore other storylines/character. I don't see this show suriving if the show's premise is only about Nick/Dad, Nick/drugs, Nick/kids, Nick/various women, etc. That would be so incredibly boring, IMO. I love all those stuff too, but I like it even more now that they are exploring Nick's love life. I am excited that they are now exploring his intimacy issues. I happen to like LuLu. She is complicated enough. They drive each other crazy and then some. Lastly, I don't think that DH emphasizes so much on one character and storyline. There are other storylines going on too. JMHO.  |
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Post by Dona on Apr 24, 2003 10:26:30 GMT -5
A similar level of ratings does not mean that the same audience is watching. Simply reading the posts, it's pretty obvious, that on balance, a seemingly, but definately different, younger audience has replaced the (seemingly) more mature audience of season one. Dh knows damn well that the Lulu line irritates a certain section of his older audience, but he's insisted on putting her into every episode this season. There hasn't been (and from the previews, won't be) one break from her. The only strong continuing thread this year has been whether or not Nick and Lulu have sex. The other storylines such as they were, were mere sideshows. The drug issue especially has received very cursury attention. Nick isn't even in recovery at the moment, yet the drugs aren''t shown as a daily issue for him. I'm really not against growing the audience by including 'some' 'hot' stuff. Though at this point, I wish Moniz would take a year off, have a kid with hubby, and come back in a reduced role. I might actually be able to stand watching her again. But what I'm seeing is not a growing of the audience by inclusion of other factors, but a replacement of one audiece with another (probably more advertiser friendly) audience. If DH was really smart, he should have been able to grow the audience with a stronger female character than Amanda, instead, he's just held steady. IMO  |
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Post by jevees on Apr 24, 2003 11:25:45 GMT -5
Sorry Spunky!!.... ;D I´ll be more carefull about that, aparently your imagination just flys whith the hole word!! Now that i realised the meaning, mine too....  We are bad girls!....  |
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Post by Jennifer on Apr 24, 2003 12:20:53 GMT -5
:(I'm sorry Dona that you're unhappy with her presence. Right now, I am absolutely enjoying this show and again, pleased that the show is exploring Nick's intimacy issues through LuLu. I am aware that it will be bumpy, but I don't care, as long as they are sort of together, though NOT really together, if you know what I mean. You really think that audience will grow if they continue with the season one premise? Nah, I really don't think so, in fact it will be boring, IMO. I think LuLu has improved as a character. She has shown that she is a competent lawyer. There was some continuity before with her writing, but I think it has improved. I like her more and more each episode. But I understand that we all take things differently. So we just have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by bakergirl on Apr 24, 2003 16:26:44 GMT -5
A similar level of ratings does not mean that the same audience is watching. Simply reading the posts, it's pretty obvious, that on balance, a seemingly, but definately different, younger audience has replaced the (seemingly) more mature audience of season one. Dh knows damn well that the LuLu line irritates a certain section of his older audience, but he's insisted on putting her into every episode this season. There hasn't been (and from the previews, won't be) one break from her. The only strong continuing thread this year has been whether or not Nick and LuLu have sex. The other storylines such as they were, were mere sideshows. The drug issue especially has received very cursury attention. I'm really not against growing the audience by including 'some' 'hot' stuff. But what I'm seeing is not a growing of the audience by inclusion of other factors, but a replacement of one audiece with another (probably more advertiser friendly) audience. Dona - I'm so glad someone else expressed my total feelings about where the show is going - it seems. When I first started to visit this board it was fun and interresting to read all the topics, and so I finally also participated in posting my thoughts. But lately, somehow, I've got beaten-up every time I try to express my opinion about something that happened to go against the opinion of the majority of the members. Maybe I'm not articulate enough, maybe it's my mentality and/or upbringing, since I was raised in a different part of the world for most of my life, or maybe it's just a plain shortcoming of my English as a second language!  In any case, it's no fun anymore if you're going against the wind....all the time. Who was it again who said: " This is a free board, and everyone can express their opinion," ect...etc...ect... So I keep on trying. I really do love the show, and of course Nick Fallin...................but I also do miss season one!!!  Thank you Dona, for letting me quote your words!! |
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Post by lambertoise on Apr 24, 2003 18:10:27 GMT -5
... When I first started to visit this board it was fun and interresting to read all the topics, and so I finally also participated in posting my thoughts. But lately, somehow, I've got beaten-up every time I try to express my opinion about something that happened to go against the opinion of the majority of the members. Maybe I'm not articulate enough, but I also do miss season one!!! Dear Bakergirl, I am very surprised and sorry to read that you feel beaten up on this board. I admit I haven't read all the posts, but this particular board always seems to me very welcoming to various views. Your articulation is certainly never at fault and I always enjoy your opinions. I am a very mediocre critic, especially regarding this tv show. I love it and even when one episode is not up to what I was expecting, I enjoy it anyway, because it is different. DH 's writing brings us in new places, it has colors, it moves me and makes me think about my own life, my own choices. Until now, it happened only with books ( I am a voracious reader). So that' s one of the reasons, I guess, no, I know, that got me hooked on TG. IMO, the novelty is part of the first season' s appeal. An angry man, (gorgeous, which helps ), flawed characters, children's cases that get to us, ... so many things you never see on tv. I am looking forward for the third season ... and for your next posts. |
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Post by cecilia on Apr 24, 2003 19:37:37 GMT -5
Dona - I'm so glad someone else expressed my total feelings about where the show is going - it seems. When I first started to visit this board it was fun and interresting to read all the topics, and so I finally also participated in posting my thoughts. But lately, somehow, I've got beaten-up every time I try to express my opinion about something that happened to go against the opinion of the majority of the members. Maybe I'm not articulate enough, maybe it's my mentality and/or upbringing, since I was raised in a different part of the world for most of my life, or maybe it's just a plain shortcoming of my English as a second language! ![]() Hey, BAkergirl....sorry to hear that!....my English is ten times worse than yours so you know this is not the issue. I might not agree with you all the time, but miss season one (well, I don´t miss it...I´m watching it every Sunday...), I mean season two seems different...but I try to take it as it comes....maybe third season will have another twist...I root the N/LL, but I´m sure is not gonna last....so probably we´ll soon have the old nick back....and yes, Dona, I would love to see something else on the Nick/drugs....he isn´t making anything at all with his problem (starting by saying he doesn´t have a problem....) and he has to slip or cover one addiction with another; it´s just the way it works. I hope it´s clear....I´m not very clear today....bur, please, bakergirl...don´t feel that way!....(I´m not kissing asses or whatever the way to say it is....I truly enjoy everybody´s posts here!) |
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