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Post by cecihz on May 5, 2003 6:29:57 GMT -5
..am not logged on - hence "guest"  ... Plus, if you recall in that one ep which featured LuLu being so mesmerized by the Fallin family pics and slides (forget ep title) - Brian when he delivers the box back to Nick at his office, is almost conciliatory at one point - even going as far as to *almost* tell Nick, that LuLu is, or will be available...then he looks at Nick, who's giving no quarter and is not being receptive/friendly at all, and says...ahhh forget it - nevermind. "understand your man", rosiiiii-guest.... ;D... he doesnt deny it, but definitely wants to make sure it was Lulu who made the move...he is an insecure guy who knows really well how to look the opposite and make people around him feel insecure themselves, imo. Sort of.  |
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Post by niki c on May 5, 2003 7:35:42 GMT -5
Hi. I know he never denied coming on to LuLu...he jumped immediately to "You're the one that booked us the room" -- as in you like me more than I like you so. So there! I really don't care that you're going out with Dan the Yoga Man.
I loved that. It was such a juvenile response -- perfect Nick.
Anyway, I guess I mostly objected to the term LuLu used, "coming onto." It sounds cheap to me, like Nick was looking for a quicky. His feelings for her were always much deeper. But maybe she didn't, or doesn't, know that.....
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Post by bakergirl on May 5, 2003 16:07:14 GMT -5
Also, when LuLu was married...Nick "came on," to her in YBTM (couch scene @ Kim's) by inviting her back to his place and almost kissing her, and he invited her back to his place in "The Living," also in "Testimony," behind bars he was pretty frisky as well - telling her he "wanted to be with her," wanting to know why she got married, and why she wasn't on her honeymoon. Plus, we also never found out what went on behind that door in "No Good Deed."  If my memory serves me right, the only time that Nick came on to LuLu (if you can call it that),  is when she was not yet married ( "Shelter")... and Nick planted that delicious kiss on her lips...  ... and she sure didn't mind!! In fact,... she kissed him back!;D As for "YBTM" (couch scene @ Kim's), the way I see it;.....she invited him next to her under the blanket on the floor, talking silly and flirting with him.  "The Living"; He invited her back to his place to stay, after she was telling him all about her being married to a man she doesn't love. She asked him then to stay with her at the bar a while longer, because she didn't want to go home......*to the man she didn't love*. And Nick said: "I can't do that", and walked out! Hardly a "come on"!! "Testimony": Frisky?  I didn't see him being frisky sitting behind the glass window in jail............only being pretty upset asking her why she married Brian, and then baring his soul to her by telling he had wanted to be with her!!....Frisky?? "No Good Deed"; LuLu asked Nick if he meant what he had said in court about her, to which Nick replied: "You know me LuLu, I like to win"  After LuLu started to walk out he said: "LuLu,....I meant most of it"! Upon which LuLu closed the door!!! Wonder *who came on to whom!*  I agree with niki c/atotaltotalfan that "coming on to" sounds cheap and hardly appropriate! Nick darling;......still it is!! |
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Post by Rosiiii1 on May 5, 2003 19:44:03 GMT -5
If my memory serves me right, the only time that Nick came on to LuLu (if you can call it that), is when she was not yet married ( "Shelter")... and Nick planted that delicious kiss on her lips... ... and she sure didn't mind!! In fact,... she kissed him back!;D As for "YBTM" (couch scene @ Kim's), the way I see it;.....she invited him next to her under the blanket on the floor, talking silly and flirting with him. "The Living"; He invited her back to his place to stay, after she was telling him all about her being married to a man she doesn't love. She asked him then to stay with her at the bar a while longer, because she didn't want to go home......*to the man she didn't love*. And Nick said: "I can't do that", and walked out! Hardly a "come on"!! "Testimony": Frisky? I didn't see him being frisky sitting behind the glass window in jail............only being pretty upset asking her why she married Brian, and then baring his soul to her by telling he had wanted to be with her!!....Frisky?? "No Good Deed"; LuLu asked Nick if he meant what he had said in court about her, to which Nick replied: "You know me LuLu, I like to win" After LuLu started to walk out he said: "LuLu,....I meant most of it"! Upon which LuLu closed the door!!! Wonder *who came on to whom!* I agree with niki c/atotaltotalfan that "coming on to" sounds cheap and hardly appropriate! Nick darling;......still it is!! Wow... didn't know I'd be reading such a ferocious defense of something I would have thought most people knew, i.e., that Nick has wanted Lulu forever and has made that fact known to her time and time again. I would have thought most people knew by Nick's actions, that Lulu had but to crook her little finger and she could have gotten a little Nick loving at any point, married or no. For people who seem to not like what Lulu said to Nick during *the argument*, I think it would be helpful to consider the context of what they said during the heat of the moment in WIMTY, which preceded the passionate clinch: Nick is telling Lulu that even though "Dan the Yoga man," has asked her out, and she's accepted, that Lulu will not follow through with him. Nick tells her that she will make him think she's receptive, but then won't go through with anything. That is what Lulu hears, and it pisses her off - because she knows he's really talking about himself. So she responds to him taken aback, knowing that he is in some way alluding to himself -- and says questioningly, "You think I led you on?" Understand that she thinks he's calling her a tease! ;D At this point, she is offended by his characterization of her behavior, perhaps even thinks him describing her thusly is "cheap," -- and so she continues talking over him, very offended and says, "You know, I was married Nick and you came on to me."These are two angry people, who are saying not so nice things to each other at this point. So those who think that what Lulu said to Nick is cheap, might consider that what he said to her was as well - first of all, he's likening himself to "Dan the Yoga man," and saying he knows, she won't *get busy* when the time comes and Dan wants to "go down dog." Lulu in return, only says "came on to me," in response to Nick's words, which could also be described as equally demeaning and "cheap." I however, don't see them as viewing each other or their actions this way. They were just mad, pissed off and extremely sexually frustrated. End of story imo. I took the scene for what it was, a passionate and very hot clinch that I've already worn my videotape out watching! As for all of the scenes where I listed Nick was definitely coming on to Lulu - well...it's all in the eye of the beholder I suppose...but a man who invites a married woman whom we all know he is strongly attracted to, back to his place, not once but twice, is indeed in the words of ticked-off Lulu, "coming on to her." At the Incline in the ep "The Living," Nick even knew he was doing something he shouldn't have, because he was lowering his head and laughing sheepishly - that's when Lulu calls him "trouble," and he grins some more. You can't get any more obvious in my mind. It was a pass plain and simple. Also, in YBTM -- the couch scene, Nick's arm around her shoulders on the back of the couch, his moving closer to her, and that finger stroke of his - was a definite 'I'm gonna kiss you right now,' moment from Nick....unfortunately Kim Buttinsky entered stage left. Same to you...whatever it means. |
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Post by cecilia on May 5, 2003 20:16:11 GMT -5
I have to disagree, bakergirl. I do think things happen that we dont see, besides the fact that LuLu has been beaten up alot because she didnt show any feeling for nick, when nick was in love with her....so (IIMHO) I believe everybody asumes more interaction have been going on that the scenes we saw. As a matter of fact, something happened between BITR and WIMTY...perhaps two weeks when LuLu waited for Nick to make a move, while giving him a lot of "yes, I´m up for everything...." and that kind of answers and Nick behaving the older brother, still....?....or maybe they have a fight at the job: LuLu lost her patience because of that and argue about something?....they didnt seem to be as friendly, at the court house, the first minute, as they were in BITR....My belief is that things happen all the time, and DH doesnt want to show everything...that´s why, in the first season, there were so many lost threads...it was a way of saying: in real life things dont end on Friday nights....sometimes you dont get to see the end...
And that´s why I think there was much more than the kissing at shelter or that "so" invitation at the incline or at Kim´s....I hope so!....I want nick to be a guy who goes after what he wants....When everybody at SBOL was pointing that Nick would dump LuLu once he got her, because he was a hunter, I asked where did they get that idea, since we never actually saw him hunting anything, but being hunted by every woman who tried...
That´s why I´m pretty sure that most of the audience do believe Nick have been making more moves that those we´ve been seeing. Even those fans that dont like the N/L plot agreed that he was REALLY after her and she acted as if she didnt know....
So, even when I´m "contradicting"(?) myself here with what I post in SBOL (I confess, I was trying to stand for LuLu and Nick´s feelings for her...) I think Nick was (totaltotal, you could´ve posted another better expression to use...)" coming on " her when she was married.
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Post by lambertoise on May 5, 2003 20:38:35 GMT -5
Nick clearly made some advances. But their relationship started on the wrong foot. She was engaged, and Nick the probationner was a cute guy ( if I may use this euphemism ) she couldn't read very well (teflon man, nothing touches him, moving through space...). And she didn't understand either her feelings for Nick, or, I'd rather say, she didn't want to admit them. As I wrote earlier this season, LuLu is that kind of girl very good in her class, perfect(Mommy says so) but completely naive concerning love and life. So the little dance they did, after the divorce (or the separation if we want to be precise) was one step front , one step back, not coordinated at all. The argument in the courthouse finally gave them the chance to synchronize their dance. And I think they liked it...!!! Maybe the courtship wasn't very elegant, but the circumstances were particular. |
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Post by Rosiiii1 on May 5, 2003 20:58:30 GMT -5
Agreed lambertoise, very well put! |
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Post by cecilia on May 5, 2003 21:20:09 GMT -5
I agree, Lambertoise....and I also agree with Rosiiii, that what we saw at the court house (before.....) were two angry people, resented and sexually frustrated (that´s how you called them?), and their words were not thought at all before they "uttered" them... |
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Post by niki c on May 6, 2003 13:03:30 GMT -5
To clarify: When I said I thought the term "coming onto" sounded cheap, it wasn't meant as an attack on Lulu! I recognize they were both angry, and that Lulu used the term as a way to needle Nick. But I still think the term is a poor characterization of Nick's feelings for Lulu.
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Post by bakergirl on May 6, 2003 13:11:48 GMT -5
All you guys make a point here, (but Rosiiii, of-course ) and I agree it has always been much more between Nick & LuLu than what you call a "coming on to." That's why I think it is sort of not the right expression - even though LuLu sort of trew it out in the heat of the moment - like it was some guy who is *coming on* with his cheap pick-up lines at the bar  or at the beach!  If we are really going down to the nitty-gritty of it all, it actually was LuLu who made the first move - "come on" - when she planted a kiss... ...on Nick's cheek in "In Loco Parentis" and told him her boyfriend Brian "never looks at her that way!"So, whatever it is they do...great, as long as LuLu's sure what it is she wants! I think she doesn't; she needs to sort out many of her own problems...and hormones! California has lots of beautiful beaches and golden-blond babes,.....with great pick-up lines!    Much luck to you Rosiiii, with your future games...  ...I'm out!!! |
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Post by niki c on May 6, 2003 13:23:47 GMT -5
Can you believe I completely forgot about that first kiss? That was the moment I realized Nick was going to lay waste to all of LuLu's carefully laid plans for the future. I felt sort of sorry for her, because you could feel the doubt creeping in.....and she barely knew the guy!
She kissed him in a moment of weakness. I thought it was unfair of her but boy did I understand.
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Post by bakergirl on May 6, 2003 13:34:46 GMT -5
She kissed him in a moment of weakness. I thought it was unfair of her but boy did I understand. I sooooh did too,....niki c!  |
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Post by niki c on May 6, 2003 14:14:13 GMT -5
That scene has one of my absolutely favorite Nick moments. It's when he walks away from her, walks out the door and then turns and looks back at her, touching the door ever so slightly. You can feel Teflon man wanting to reach out to her. It's such a tender moment.
I wish she could have seen the look of longing and tenderness on his face just then. As I said before, this was not a man who, even then, was only interested in "coming on" to LuLu.
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Post by Jennifer on May 6, 2003 14:16:03 GMT -5
California has lots of beautiful beaches and golden-blond babes,.....with great pick-up lines! ![]() bakergirl, LuLu isn't going anywhere. Nick will stop his LuLu and profess his love. My brand new crystal ball says so.  |
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Post by bakergirl on May 6, 2003 15:30:25 GMT -5
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is when she was not yet married ( "Shelter")... and Nick planted that delicious kiss on her lips... 
... and she sure didn't mind!! In fact,... she kissed him back!;D
I didn't see him being frisky sitting behind the glass window in jail............only being pretty upset asking her why she married Brian, and then baring his soul to her by telling he had wanted to be with her!!....Frisky?? 
After LuLu started to walk out he said: "LuLu,....I meant most of it"! Upon which LuLu closed the door!!!
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