Why won't LuLu tell Nick what she feels?

[bakergirl]

Guest-bodacia said:

Nick has told her he cares about her and wants to be with her. He's shown many instances of protective behavior and gone out of his way to help her. And she can't have missed all those gooey looks he's sent her way over the past year.

She's told him nothing whatsoever about how she feels about him.

You are so right, bodacia.

As long as Nick and LuLu are supposed to be a couple in the show, the opinions about LuLu's behaviour will always differ!
Also the opinions about Nick, but we don't talk about that...won't we...because I love Nick.! ;D And I think he deserves more respect from the woman he really loves, and has shown so... many times over!!


I still see him running after her on the bridge, because he was *concerned* about her (in the stalker's episode.)
I see his face when he went with her to pick-up her new car, and she just drove off and let him stand there with that look on his face! Only, because he mentioned he was worried about her driving the first time after the accident!


Only a man in love would do the things she wanted him to do, after they were discovered "having sex in the office" by Alvin; i.e.: "I want you to send me flowers to the office; I want to go out on a real date; I want a dinnerparty at my house, and invite Alvin, James, Laurie etc. etc...."

If Nick was only after the sex, and the game was played, he really did not have to go through all of that... but he did, and we all know Nick is not the most social person.

I still see his face in this last episode, when he asked LuLu why he was the last one to know that she had accepted the invitation for the interview in California.

And , Oh my..... what about the last scene when Nick almost begged her to go with her to the airport?

If that isn't a man in love.....


I also see Cassandra's point, and it makes a whole lot of sense!
When the third season is coming back, and LuLu has been gone and back from California ... there be still more "trouble in his mind"...........Nick's that is.


I hope David Hollander will change course a bit next season by healing Nick's wounded heart, and give him another chance ...for a better dance!!

[pattycake]

Just for the record, I don't think LuLu is looking for marriage--she just got out of one. I think she's just looking for a legitimate commitment from Nick, an indication from him he's thinking about being with her longterm. Not marriage...I can't think of a better word than perhaps: companionship?

She offered a great opportunity that I think is worth the move to SF. If you ask there so many reasons for her to go and only one good reason for her to stay--that's Nick, assuming he feels the same way. But she doesn't know that. She thinks he does but is not really sure. That's why I think that's why she really needs to hear it from him.


pattycake.

[cecihz]

Hi, Sarah!.....I agree with you on the time....there must have passed some weeks between BITR and WIMTY...and Lulu probably began to have doubts on Nick´s feelings (romantic feelings), since he was more caring and "big-brothering" her than date-boyfriend-to-be loving....IMO

[cloud9]

---Juliana: thanks for your very well reasoned opinions. I agree with you and you have said it all so much better than I could.

An additional observation that, IMHO, confirms L's delight in being with N is that she is simply shiningly lovely these last few eps. She loves him and she thinks he loves her and she just can't help showing how she feels. Her smile lights up the room and her eyes send out sparks whenever he's around. She is stunning and He's bound to read the adoration in her eyes, as she does in his, and I'm pretty sure he's picking up her female pheromones, which is why he's giving her 'that look'. ---Ain't nature grand?LOL ;D

I know that comments by posters on other threads attribute her current beauty to a possible real-life pregnancy for WM. I don't know if she's preggers or not, but I do know that, whatever the reason for her glow, it's working for the show.

I just hope that the characters will plow through their respective insecurites and hangups to realize what a precious thing they have stumbled upon. Perhaps the struggle to find a lasting way through the maze of pitfalls surrounding that relationship is the 'dance' that DH alluded to earlier in the season.

It's fun and frustrating for us to watch that struggle. But that's Real Life, too...

cloud9

[cecihz]

Hey, Bakergirl....I imagine the reason we dont discuss Nick is that the whole board would be a flat row of sighs and :thud:s.....
I think the point is that the audience knows Nick´s feelings (the bridge, the living, YBTM....)but we were talking about Lulu the character....she is an insecure person, as much as Nick is: it´s quite real both trying to avoid being the first to talk seriously about their relationship....

[bakergirl]

Guest-cecihz said:

Hey, Bakergirl....I imagine the reason we dont discuss Nick is that the whole board would be a flat row of sighs and

Wouldn't you know it....


That's my point,... and it was more meant for myself not to talk about Nick...
because he's.... ... ...............



I really truly wanted to make a point of the fact that this time it is now LuLu's turn to show Nick her real feelings for him.........and maybe say so!!!

[bakergirl]

.....and like I said, cecihz,.....................

As long as Nick and LuLu are supposed to be a couple in the show, the opinions about LuLu's behaviour will always differ!!!

[juliana106]

cloud9 said:

---Juliana: thanks for your very well reasoned opinions. I agree with you and you have said it all so much better than I could.

An additional observation that, IMHO, confirms L's delight in being with N is that she is simply shiningly lovely these last few eps. She loves him and she thinks he loves her and she just can't help showing how she feels. Her smile lights up the room and her eyes send out sparks whenever he's around. She is stunning and He's bound to read the adoration in her eyes, as she does in his, and I'm pretty sure he's picking up her female pheromones, which is why he's giving her 'that look'. ---Ain't nature grand?LOL ;D

I know that comments by posters on other threads attribute her current beauty to a possible real-life pregnancy for WM. I don't know if she's preggers or not, but I do know that, whatever the reason for her glow, it's working for the show.

I just hope that the characters will plow through their respective insecurites and hangups to realize what a precious thing they have stumbled upon. Perhaps the struggle to find a lasting way through the maze of pitfalls surrounding that relationship is the 'dance' that DH alluded to earlier in the season.

It's fun and frustrating for us to watch that struggle. But that's Real Life, too...

cloud9

Beautifully put as well, I can't agree with you more.

Something tells me that neither Nick, Lulu nor DH is willing to give up on this relationship just yet -- I don't care if it takes a few miles between them or a few more episodes full of angst, but Nick and Lulu do belong together...the ups and downs of their relationship are about as realistic as it gets

[cecilia]

bakergirl said:

.....and like I said, cecihz,.....................

:bouncing:....
yes, that´s we are talking about, and hope for a long time, while she learns how to tell him "I love you Nick" ...:thud:....
and it´s really good to see you´ve decided to join us again!.....

:thud: ......oops, I reminded nickinatux.......:thud:...:biglaugh:....

[niki c]

Rosiiii1 said:

I agree cecilia we all have personal biases, and that some things are all in the eye of the beholder -- but I try like heck to figure out where the writers want to take us with these characters, and what they are trying to achieve.

Based on how LuLu has been portrayed, as a good, honest person with integrity, a person who does her best to be faithful and loyal (all the adjectives Nick used in the "No Good Deed," courtroom scene defending her), plus just how she's presented overall -- I don't feel that they would create a "bad girl," persona for her in the last few eps of this season who will stomp on Nick's heart just to satisfy her carnal urges. I just don't. That's not what I get from the character.

I agree with pattycake's assessment, and I too have sympathy for her. She's in pain. Like Nick, she has her own insecurities - she also has had close to a year and a half to observe how Nick is with women. She has seen how far they've gotten when they get the urge to reign him in. (i.e., Kim contemplates going further in the relationship, Kim is dumped)

LuLu was fooled once by Brian (Mr. Stability & family practice man likes picking up hookers), so she most likely doesn't trust her own judgement that well -- even what she sees right in front of her.

Nick 'caring,' being 'concerned' about her and wanting her sexually, may not translate in LuLu's mind to wanting a committment with her as far as she knows. She very obviously wants him to be hers, and she wants to be his, but she's questioning if he wants that level of relationship. I don't think LuLu can be any other kind of woman except one that's fully committed - that's how they've portrayed her. If he doesn't feel the same way, I fear she may feel she needs to move on, so she doesn't get hurt. Having made such a big mistake previously, I can undersatnd her being gun-shy, and not laying all her cards on the table with him either.

Nick is aware that LuLu wants something from him, that's why he's frustrated - he knows that he's not giving her what she needs - and he's frustrated by that as well. So in my view, Nick knows that LuLu is not "using," him. If she were - he would see a more happy go lucky person winging off to California. Instead he sees her pain and anger over what he's not giving her -- which of course is why he was aching to talk to her as she left, and trying to catch her.

As the viewing audience, we're in a better position to know what's in Nick's heart and mind. We know more than LuLu. We know how Nick feels about her.

Rosiiii, my thoughts precisely.

I've always been ambivalent about LuLu and how she reacts to Nick. I still am. But IMO she was clearly in a lot of pain in this epsiode because of what she needed to hear from Nick, but didn't.

This tells me she cares deeply for him -- maybe more deeply than she's capable of, or willing to, admit. I think if she goes to California, it will be because she thinks Nick doesn't really care for her....jeeze, I wish the guy would learn to use his words!!!!

[cecilia]

Guest-niki said:

Rosiiii, my thoughts precisely.

I've always been ambivalent about LuLu and how she reacts to Nick. I still am. But IMO she was clearly in a lot of pain in this epsiode because of what she needed to hear from Nick, but didn't.

This tells me she cares deeply for him -- maybe more deeply than she's capable of, or willing to, admit. I think if she goes to California, it will be because she thinks Nick doesn't really care for her....jeeze, I wish the guy would learn to use his words!!!!

:bawling:.....girls, my heart aches just with the posts...the moment I got the tape I´ll drown in my own tears!........
niki c, did you also feel like grabbing his neck and taking what is stuck in his throat?........ ....this cute-mute Nick....in a tux.....:thud:....

[bodacia]

I think my point's been lost along the way, but thanks for all your ideas. Whether or not we know more about what Nick feels than LuLu does, she certainly knows he feels A LOT - she's admitted that. I have to wonder what Nick thinks she feels for him, or if he's happy to just have her regardless of how she feels.

I understand she's insecure and needs to hear it. But why can't she say something to him first before expecting him to YET AGAIN declare his feelings? Has she ever said "I want to get to know you better" or "I really like/respect the way you... whatever" or "I enjoy being with you" or anything even remotely like that?

No. Nothing. All she's done is announce she wants sex with him (booking the B&B) and told him to send her flowers (in public) to put on appearances. None of this tells Nick how she feels about him, except that she's embarrassed by it all.

If she's hurt about Brian or about how Nick has treated other women, she should talk about it with him before she has the right to demand yet more assurances from Nick. They never seem to talk about anything important, they just fight or have sex.

"So much silence," as Burton said. It's a very uncomfortable relationship.

[spunkymungbeans]

Totally agree Bodey. ;D

After her moment of boldness, booking the B&B, Lulu is back to being passive again. Letting fate, or other people, decide her life for her. She is letting other people's actions (Alvin, James and Nick's reactions to her for example) decide what she does instead of deciding what is best for her.

I think this is what Nick was driving at when he told her to take the job if it made sense, not blame other people for her decision. Of course, she just read it as him not caring what she did.

Arrrgh. Wake up Lulu!

[Rosiiii1]

Guest-bodacia said:

I think my point's been lost along the way, but thanks for all your ideas. Whether or not we know more about what Nick feels than LuLu does, she certainly knows he feels A LOT - she's admitted that. I have to wonder what Nick thinks she feels for him, or if he's happy to just have her regardless of how she feels.

I understand she's insecure and needs to hear it. But why can't she say something to him first before expecting him to YET AGAIN declare his feelings? Has she ever said "I want to get to know you better" or "I really like/respect the way you... whatever" or "I enjoy being with you" or anything even remotely like that?

No. Nothing. All she's done is announce she wants sex with him (booking the B&B) and told him to send her flowers (in public) to put on appearances. None of this tells Nick how she feels about him, except that she's embarrassed by it all.

If she's hurt about Brian or about how Nick has treated other women, she should talk about it with him before she has the right to demand yet more assurances from Nick. They never seem to talk about anything important, they just fight or have sex.

"So much silence," as Burton said. It's a very uncomfortable relationship.

To me, I think the inference throughout the season and even last -- is that they talk a lot (as much as Nick "talks" to anyone) and are friends ("everytime we talk, you tell me I should divorce Brian," inference of broomcloset door shutting, other instances of closed door pow-wows, cleaning up after-hours at Mr. Hassan's together after they first met, sharing aspects of their personal lives in several conversations, etc.) So I think their relationship is more than fights and sex.

I agree, Lulu also needs to do more to convey her feelings to Nick, about Nick -- but it's obvious she's got issues and baggage too - that's what has driven Nick crazy for a season and a half. The writers want what Lulu does to cause conflict in Nick.

If Lulu was able to tell Nick what she wanted, and didn't have her own issues to contend with - it would be a very short show...and the N&LL dynamic wouldn't be as intriguing for me as it's been. We'd only get him either running away from her, or...not. Ditto Nick revealing all to Lulu.

They are very much alike, in that they both seem afraid of telling each other how they feel without complete assurances that they won't get hurt, or rejected, or left....

Childhood abandonment issues, and/or neglect must have done that to them. Not enough demonstrative love or attention from their one parent families. What have you wrought Burton & Caroline?

[niki c]

I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this question, but I was wondering: What did Nick mean when he told Lulu that if she didn't want to take the job "don't make it everyone else's problem"?

If she doesn't take the job, there is no problem, right?