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Post by Just a Lurker on May 12, 2003 21:17:32 GMT -5
Good One Rosiiii
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Post by spunkymungbeans on May 12, 2003 23:34:23 GMT -5
Looks like it is still up in the air so I'll leave the poll open.
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Post by Hales on May 13, 2003 6:42:16 GMT -5
Only 'might'? 'Fess up, Hales. You'd miss her heaps, if only because she is so good at torturing Nick. Okay Spunky you caught me! I probably will miss Lulu more than I think, but she actually has to leave first... then I'll have to see Nick's torment  There's good Fan Fic going around? :thud: Lead me to it... please! I need some fic to make me laugh. |
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Post by spunkymungbeans on May 15, 2003 1:03:27 GMT -5
Anyone think that the finale makes it more, or less, likely that Lulu will leave?
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Post by jevees on May 15, 2003 7:48:18 GMT -5
I don´t think she is going spunky.... sorry! I ´m guessing that things are going to be tense between N/L and well they probably´ll break up(maybe Nick would) but I don´t see her leaving cause of the James thing going.... LSP will need her, and it´d be rude of her to leave them..... I like LuLu and I don´t want her to go, but of course she´d have to make a lot of amends....  |
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Post by juliana106 on May 15, 2003 10:18:20 GMT -5
The James factor aside, as well as her MIA Nana of whom she is the guardian of -- I do believe that Lulu is staying, and that what Nick said definitely had an impact upon her.
Even before Nick came into her office and said those fateful words, Lulu was very uncertain in her decision about taking the job. It seemed to be more of escape for her from an uncertain reality than something she actively wanted to pursue. In her last scene with Nick, when he asked her if she was really going to go, she said "yeah, I think so, yeah..." as if she were trying to convince herself it was the right decision to make.
After Nick made his "confession" to her and started saying "forget it" Lulu tried to speak up again, and her two short lines (which can easily have multiple interpretations) that many people were unable to pick up in dialogues "the job is... I'm not going after..." were cut off by Nick.
Toward the end of the episode, when Lulu was walking out with Alvin, he asked her if she had heard about Berkeley or not. She told him that she hadn't. She asks if he has spoken with his friend, and he tells her that he hasn't. Alvin assures her that they'd want her there, and she says "we'll see..."
I really don't think she's going to make it out to California, fantastic job opportunity or not -- she has reason enough to stay in Pittsburgh.
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on May 15, 2003 11:23:45 GMT -5
Nope, she's not going anywhere, IMO. She's addicted to Nick, althought IMO she hasn't admitted this to herself yet. Poor -- incredibly maddening -- LuLu.
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Post by cassidy on May 15, 2003 13:44:08 GMT -5
I think maybe for the next 2 or 3 episodes she would be back just to finalize her existent on the show but after that, I think something will definitely happen b/w her and Nick that will cause her to go , but this time for good.
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on May 15, 2003 14:13:24 GMT -5
Well, there are folks out there who would like her to go, but I think the push-and-pull dynamic between the two characters is likely to continue far into the third season. It took a lot of work for these two people to come this far. I can't see DH just letting it go......
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Post by Jennifer on May 15, 2003 14:41:35 GMT -5
Well, there are folks out there who would like her to go, but I think the push-and-pull dynamic between the two characters is likely to continue far into the third season. It took a lot of work for these two people to come this far. I can't see DH just letting it go...... I agree. After building up this two for 2 years, it just doesn't make sense to let her go. I am one of the TG fans that enjoy the dynamics between Nick and LuLu and I am looking forward to more scenes between them in season 3.  |
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Post by juliana106 on May 15, 2003 14:53:26 GMT -5
I think maybe for the next 2 or 3 episodes she would be back just to finalize her existent on the show but after that, I think something will definitely happen b/w her and Nick that will cause her to go , but this time for good. After the impact of the car accident, I think that a simple exit such as *leaving for California* is far too mundane for the complexities of the character and her relationships with the others on the show. I guess I just don't see much point in bringing her back for only a few episodes, or in having the relationship get to this point at all if David Hollander just was going to let it go -- he could've just as easily had her close her eyes for good when she was in a coma, but he didn't. I can't find any way to justify David Hollander dedicating so much time and energy to the story if he were just going to let it end like that... or within an episode or two of the next season. What I think he was doing is giving himself more leeway, another outlet to explore, another roadblock for the beautifully complex couple to overcome. One thing a "mundane" exit would provide is the opportunity to come back, and if Lulu left -- I don't think for one minute that it would be for good. Who knows what would bring her back (Nana's death, problems at LSP, perhaps a desperate call from Nick, merely being unhappy in CA, hell finding out she's pregnant after she's gone) or when, but I think that a Lulu return would be assured, if not completely guaranteed at one point or another... because IMO, she is an integral part of the show and essentially, Nick's life. There's no doubt in my mind that there will be reprocussions for her reaction to Nick's confession of love, her inability to respond will probably cost Lulu dearly. But, we knew early on that this relationship would not be easy -- and I don't see that course changing any time soon. If she had merely said "I love you" back to Nick, there'd be no story left to tell. What DH did was open another door and threw another obstacle in their way. From what we saw in the last scene alone, there is more than enough tension and love between the two to fuel them well beyond the next season -- and I think that is what DH wanted to accomplish. Nick has extended himself to Lulu, and now its all up to her. No matter how "ugly" things might get between her and Nick next season as a result of this season's finale -- I can't see her just walking away, she's not that type of person. If there's a reason for her to stay, she will. That job in California didn't meant that much to her. The "prestige" of the opportunity was appealing, but the idea of leaving was not. Her doubts throughout the episode made that apparent. I can definitely see how her exit might seem plausible, but something tells me that neither DH, nor Nick, nor Lulu is ready to give up on this relationship. |
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Post by cassidy on May 15, 2003 16:02:19 GMT -5
Well, there are folks out there who would like her to go, but I think the push-and-pull dynamic between the two characters is likely to continue far into the third season. It took a lot of work for these two people to come this far. I can't see DH just letting it go...... Well, I'm not one of those folks who want her to go. I'm actually one of N/L fan. I merely stating the obvious here which no one seems to admit. How long more can anyone here think DH will go on with this "push-pull" N/L scenario. First, there was the "accident". I think that that is the first clue that DH was thinking of pulling the plug on this N/L saga. Don't you guys think? Be honest now. And now, the job in California? C'mon DH could have written a different way for Nick to express his feelings and the reason for his "rage" but instead he chose the "LL living" again scenario. What that tells you. To me, as painful  as it is for me to admit, means that DH wants these two to move on. And I believed that the only way for these two move on is that one of them has to go. And SB/Nick is the star of the show so he can't be him. I love WM/LL and I think that It would be ashamed when that happens but I honestly think that DH is going on on that direction:-[  for the next season. I think he wants to try Nick to fall in love with another woman( remember Kim?)JMHO. |
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Post by cecilia on May 15, 2003 17:08:24 GMT -5
Hi, Cassidy!....I understand your thought, and I wouldnt like to see Lulu leaving, but you can be right : it´s the second time DH is pushing her out of sight....it could be a sign!...But imo DH didnt have to stretch the things so far, if he wouldnt want Lulu to stay. I agree with Sarah that must be a reason for that. I also thought that Nick might come back to Kim....but would Kim accept him again?...
she was more mature than both, Nick and Lulu, and she probably would like to know if Nick has feelings toward Lulu before letting him in....imo.
I´m not sure I´d like to see that show if Lulu left for good and Nick could beat up someone like that and, being a probationer, didnt go to jail. IMO, this is a hundred time more serious than Lulu´s rejection...One thing is a crime, the other can be called selfish, mean or stupid....but nothing more.
IMO, if any woman finds out what happened that night (speculating he´d get away ) she would seriously think about having a relationship with him, not to mention the non-solve addiction issue...
In the real world, nobody but someone with a low self-esteem would consider being Nick´s girlfriend....so, maybe DH gives us some real stuff and sends Lulu to Calif. to stay away and safe from the love they share!
(since Tuesday I´m re-considering my love for this show....Nick is the hottest thing on tv, but violent guys are not my cup of tea!)
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Post by spunkymungbeans on May 15, 2003 19:43:47 GMT -5
Just a request. This phrase has been repeated so often that its starting to irritate me. Its like a scratchy collar that has driven you insane by the end of the day. Could we please call of moratorium on 'complex couple' and its variations for a few weeks or so? Pleeeeease.
Leonie
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Post by lambertoise on May 15, 2003 19:56:50 GMT -5
he could've just as easily had her close her eyes for good when she was in a coma, but he didn't. I can't find any way to justify David Hollander dedicating so much time and energy to the story if he were just going to let it end like that... or within an episode or two of the next season. What I think he was doing is giving himself more leeway, another outlet to explore, another roadblock for the beautifully complex couple to overcome. ... she is an integral part of the show and essentially, Nick's life. There's no doubt in my mind that there will be reprocussions for her reaction to Nick's confession of love, her inability to respond will probably cost LuLu dearly. But, we knew early on that this relationship would not be easy -- and I don't see that course changing any time soon. If she had merely said "I love you" back to Nick, there'd be no story left to tell. What DH did was open another door and threw another obstacle in their way. If there's a reason for her to stay, she will. That job in California didn't meant that much to her. The "prestige" of the opportunity was appealing, but the idea of leaving was not. Her doubts throughout the episode made that apparent. Usually, on TV, relationships just come and go. One of TG's appeal is, IMO, its tendancy to do differently. Having sex with somebody is quite easy, (emphasis on the quite...), loving her ou him is more difficult and to become a real couple is a huge challenge for anyone without emotional issues. So with these two... I love the fact that DH gives this relationship, potentially very rich IMO and already deeper than last year, the times it needs to evolve. I agree with Juliana about the job. LuLu didn't put much work to get it or to call back . She went because when you're called like this, it is good for the ego. I think she was not ready to receive the '' I love you'', but she was happy with : '' Don't go.'' She was waiting for that. This will be a complex relationship, we'll get mad again. But I'm sure the two of them will try to be together next year. And Kim won't take him back. Because she is a wise woman, she has a kid and if she takes Nick in her life, there will be repercussions in her son's life. But she could help LuLu to understand her own heart and fears. |
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as it is for me to admit, means that DH wants these two to move on. And I believed that the only way for these two move on is that one of them has to go. And SB/Nick is the star of the show so he can't be him. I love WM/LL and I think that It would be ashamed when that happens but I honestly think that DH is going on on that direction:-[ 
for the next season. I think he wants to try Nick to fall in love with another woman( remember Kim?)JMHO.