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Post by M.A.Y. on Jan 7, 2003 22:53:10 GMT -5
You belong to me...don't you?!
Okay, I am officially confused! What the heck is going on?! A few episodes back Lulu and Brian appeared to resolve their difficulties and separate. Then in tonight's episode we get constant references to Brian being away on a trip to see his sick mother, after a previous episode seemed to make it clear that the marriage was over. I know that Lulu was scared to death and likely very relieved to see Brian and not her stalker (whomever he turns out to be--more on that later), but their greeting out on the street was not that of a couple that is separating. Hollander needs to make up his mind here. Are they over or not?! Lulu already confessed that she's not in love with the Cad, so what's the attraction here?
So just what went on behind that closed door from the last episode? There were a lot of knowing glances and sly smiles passing between Nick and Lulu, so something must have happened. And Nick and Lulu seem to have a new level of comfort around each other (love seeing them together!). And Kim's comment that Lulu is the "straightest" person she knows seemed to elicit a near gagging reflex from Nick, as if to say "I know better". I'd hate to think that Nick and Lulu had sex in that filthy office and that we didn't even get to see it! And I think that Nick has sunk to a new low tonight while at Kim's house. He had just finished having sex with Kim and then goes out into Kim's living room and snuggles up with Lulu and is about to plant one on her pretty mouth when he's interrupted by Kim's sudden appearance. What the heck is he thinking?! He really has no respect for Kim at all, which is underlined by his standing her up for dinner (wouldn't even answer her call on the cell) so that he could play security guard for Lulu. Nick and Kim had better stick to sex, because there is absolutely nothing of substance between them.
What's up with Nick calling his father "Burton"? I don't recall that ever happening, and I can't say that I like it. The two of them had one of their great confrontational scenes tonight, but the only problem was that it seemed pointless. Nick's case with Kyle at LSP was a perfect example of how kids learn what they live (which explains why the kid punched Nick in the gut...did he deserve it?) and perhaps Nick is the way he is, in large part, because of the family life he witnessed growing up. Burton is at times a very empathetic man and then at others a hard-nosed ass--sound like anyone we know? I'd love for these two to really have it out. Nick feels abandoned by Burton as a father and used the loss of the developer client to express that. But then he simply accepts Burton's gift of the bond offering by the city. It's just like a father who has missed his 9-year-old son's baseball game because of work after promising him that he'd be there and when the father comes home to find his son sulking in his room he offers him a gift to appease his son's anger and to lessen his own guilt. Looking forward to these two really being honest with each other!
What's your guess for the identity of the stalker? We have the creepy gay guy, the creepy ex-con, and the possibly creepy gym guy. My guess is that it's someone else entirely. I'm not a big fan of "woman in jeopardy" story lines. Especially when the woman is a main character in the show. Lulu needs to be a lot stronger with her male clients. It seems that when it comes to men she just can't handle them.
Overall, a very mixed-bag of an episode.
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Post by Judy on Jan 8, 2003 7:56:07 GMT -5
Does anyone think the stalker could be Alvin? He did find Lulu's stolen pen in his desk. I know it is very far fetched, but then why make such a big deal about the pen?
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Post by Shannon218 on Jan 8, 2003 8:28:59 GMT -5
Um yeah - did "No Good Deed" actually happen? Someone in the writing department needs to look up the word Continuity in the dictionary because I'm bamboozled.:rolleyes2: Nick in boxers! Yummmm!!!!!
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Post by garfan on Jan 8, 2003 12:02:28 GMT -5
I am so confused. I saw the beginning that said last on The Gardian and showed things that happened a long time ago and had nothing to do with No Good Deed. It was as if the part where LuLu closes the door behind her never happened. I understand how the writer would not want to get Lulu together right now since the build up of there relationship is a very important part of the show but to put things in and appear to have changed his mind and totally ignore it is too riduculous to imagine. This is elementary style writing. So he must have something in mind. Maybe something did go on. LuLu and Nick's interaction in Kim's apartment sure did seem this way. The Brian deal was most confusing to me. LuLu was looking for another place to live and Brian said he would leave and he left. Now it seems he just came home and nothing had happened. I thought it also very strange that Alvin asked about Brian's mother at the beginning.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 8, 2003 13:24:40 GMT -5
Not much that happened in last night's ep seems to follow any kind of sensible continuity, does it? I really think that this episode was meant to be shown *before* the 'Brian went back to Cincinnatti' episode.---- ---- IMHO,TPTB aren't showing much respect for the intelligence of their audience when they throw in these obviously non-sequential events. They owe us an explanation...... Yes, I'm wondering if Alvin is the stalker.....that pen business was really weird----or maybe it's Brian, who didn't really go to see his sick Mom-----but who is really trying to make Lulu need him-----or is it Nick for the same reason......The whole plot-line is really kind of stupid, if you ask me..... And is Nick trying to get Kim to give him the brush-off????But why would he go to that trouble.....?Why not simply shop showing up in her bed? Oh Well-----Is there an ep next week? ---cloud9
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on Jan 8, 2003 14:38:20 GMT -5
I've been married a long time so I've sort of forgotten how single guys act...but I found it strange that Nick was wearing only boxers and a t-shirt when he walked in on Lulu. Do guys do things like that nowadays? Seems awful familiar to me. Didn't think Nick and LuLu were that close.
Also, what did you think of that look on Nick's face when he was watching Lulu's house at the end? Other posters have called it creepy and I'm inclined to agree...it bordered on obsessive, I thought. He knew Kim was phoning him, and didn't give it a passing thought. His attitude seemed beyond just being protective of Lulu.
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Post by NicknLuLu4ever on Jan 8, 2003 18:05:43 GMT -5
I dunno about the rest of yall, but I think that Nick should break things off with Kim. Nick and LuLu seem to becoming closer by the day, and it seems that Nick is starting to just string Kim along. Although I desperetly want something to happen between Nick and LuLu (you can kinda tell by my username), I think Nick should be upfront with Kim about how things are REALLY going between him and LuLu. And did yall ever figure out exactly what went on behind those closed doors last week? %20%3B%29 One can only guess...
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Post by lambertoise on Jan 8, 2003 18:59:34 GMT -5
[So he must have something in mind. Maybe something did go on. LuLu and Nick's interaction in Kim's apartment sure did seem this way. The Brian deal was most confusing to me. LuLu was looking for another place to live and Brian said he would leave and he left. Now it seems he just came home and nothing had happened][/] I was thinking the producers got mixed up with the episodes order, but because of the very friendly conversation between Nick and Lulu, I don't know. Brian showing up didn't make any sense, nor the (lukewarm) welcome hug from Lulu. I see that I was not the only one who thought, maybe Nick was the stalker, with this awkward ending. But, on the other hand, would he have been so surprised when he met Mr. ex-husband in the parking or would he have taken so much trouble to obtain a restraining court order? We know that Nick is an imperfect man prone to addiction. Now that he seems to have overcome his drug addiction, maybe Lulu is his new obsession. Mr. Hollander brought up many surprises during this season, and I thank him for that. So I hope this confusing episode will open doors I haven't thought about.
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Post by bakergirl on Jan 8, 2003 19:57:00 GMT -5
Overall, a very mixed-bag of an episode. Okay, so I'm officially with you this time, M.A.Y, and totally confused,:doh: and I didn't like it. As always the scenes between Nick and Burton were good, and of course Nick with the little boy was brilliant. I always like that side of Nick Fallin ! The whole setup with Nick/Kim/Lulu was low quality and wrong! Even though I'm not a big fan of Kim, I think this time she was the only one being sincere. When Lulu arrived at the house and found Nick there, she should have left. After all she is in the process of separating from the "goose", and...her house was just broken into! Not much fun to stay around and do some "tootsie footsie" under the blanket with Nick. She acted stupid; sitting on the floor eating junkfood behaving like a child, just pathetic. Nick could have left too, which he suggested and should have done, but he was there first, and........in that case, he should have stayed in the bed too! He acted like a jerk and showed no class! Now, I really like to see those two get together because they have the chemistry, but it can be done another, better way! Lulu should first be free off Brian, and Nick should be honest and end the "nickand kimsex", point blank.:gunfire: It would be a nice way to start an honest and open relationship between Lulu and Nick, and it would not end-up to become (I hate to say it) a "soap opera!"The stalker?: I have the feeling it is the creepy gay guy; except, I don't think he's gay! He saw Lulu was getting afraid and so he's trying to catch her off guard!! He's the one who was talking about Lulu being a runner, and also mentioned the running picture on her desk,----which she later found in the box left at her house. I liked your take on this one M.A.Y., and I agree! :paw:
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Post by Ginne on Jan 8, 2003 21:58:51 GMT -5
This is a confusing ep, and I'm not even going to try to iron things out! However, I do have on comment, regarding Nick calling his father Burton.
I've worked in an office with my mother before, and it is much more professional to address a parent in front of clients or possibly call to them across the lobby by their given name rather than by "Mom" or "Dad."
I think this was just a professionalism thing--they're both partners, they're in a public area of the office, so for appearances, Nick gets his father's attention by calling out "Burton."
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Post by spunkymungbeans on Jan 8, 2003 22:08:49 GMT -5
I'm from a family of six kids. In a noisy room a parent's first name is a guaranteed attention getter.
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Post by Jennifer on Jan 9, 2003 8:24:37 GMT -5
Hi MAY! I'm also confused with this episode. It makes me wonder if the episodes shown recently were out of sequence. I was under the impression that Lulu is about to move to another apartment and Brian will go to Columbus; apparently not. Though I enjoyed the couch scenes so much, it did not make Nick very appealing. Let me say first, that Nick and Lulu looked so adorable together, laughing and joking with each other. They looked very relaxed and comfortable with each other, it makes me wonder too if something happened inside the broom closet in "No Good Deed" episode. I hope when they get together they will let us see it on screen. Back to Nick, like you MAY, I didn't find Nick appealing when he just got off from Kim's bed, and then became cozy with Lulu afterwards. I mean he rubbed shoulders with her, and placed his arm around her, very very close. What was that? If not for the couch scenes, I would have given this episode a D, but I enjoy every quality scenes between Nick and Lulu so I give this episode an A _.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 9, 2003 12:52:49 GMT -5
So many good comments on this thread that I would like to reply to but I know I'll miss some names: But here's trying: totaltotal: I definitely agree with your opinion re your 'Nick casually wandering out in his shorts'---That seemed really out of line with Nick's character. He is usually so "Mr. Buttoned-down" and proper. Some guys I can see doing that, I mean some guys don't seem to care about those things, but -----(Oh well never mind, I digress...... ) bakergirl: I think you're a bit hard on Lulu in this instance. I expect she was pretty shook up by the whole stalker business and finding her stuff in her house and dealing with the police, etc. I'm sure I would not want to stay in that house alone for the remainder of the night---so she went to her friend's house.--A natural thing to do. IMHO, Nick & Kim should have done everything they could to make her feel welcome. Nick should have put his clothes on, offered his assistance, and then left immediately. Besides that Kim should have encouraged him to do so. (IMHO: When your friend has a serious problem and needs your immediate help (especially when that friend has come to your aid as Lulu did for Kim!), you're there for the friend. Casual bed partners take second place..... The fact the Lulu couldn't sleep and was eating junk food and watching old movies made her seem very human to me. She was shaken and vulnerable. For Nick to wander out, fresh from Kim's hot sheets, in his underwear yet, and start putting the moves on Lulu was pretty sleezy behavior. (Right up there with that King of sleeze-- Brian! If Nick continues with this kind of stuff, I'll be outta here, quick as a flash, because, in my book, that's not my kind of flawed hero. ) gin: I agree with you that, in the situation shown, it was entirely proper for Nick to call his dad: 'Burton'. I do think that in the public areas of the office it would not be appropriate for him to call him 'Dad'.---- Either 'Sir', 'Mr. Fallin, ' or, in a more casual office, 'Burton' seem to better. Have I vented????I think I have. In case I didn't make myself clear-----I really hated Nick in this episode..... ---cloud9
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Post by bakergirl on Jan 9, 2003 16:02:19 GMT -5
#1... I'm sure I would not want to stay in that house alone for the remainder of the night---so she went to her friend's house.--A natural thing to do. ************ #2...Nick should have put his clothes on, offered his assistance, and then left immediately. ************* #3... The fact that Lulu couldn't sleep and was eating junk food and watching old movies made her seem very human to me. She was shaken and vulnerable. For Nick to wander out, fresh from Kim's hot sheets, in his underwear yet, and start putting the moves on Lulu was pretty sleezy behavior. #1...I agree, it was a sad situation for her. But she didn't need to invite him (fresh out of Kim's bed) under the blanket!! #2... That's what I said!! #3 Not many words to waste on their behavior, (she didn't seem to mind either) they were both out of line.!!
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Post by bakergirl on Jan 9, 2003 16:43:52 GMT -5
Oh,....and by the way, they both (Nick and Lulu) didn't seem to blink an eye, when they were about to smooch and Kim walked in from the bedroom!
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