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Post by cloud9 on Dec 20, 2003 13:57:05 GMT -5
 ...... I prefer a little bit of moonlight and roses, words of commitment and love, some soft, romantic background music, a lovely dinner and fine wine served up in a beautiful setting when I receive a marriage proposal. Thank you very much....but IMO Nick, who is so convincing in the courtroom absolutely failed the art of courtship and the proposal of marriage. I'm certainly not going to fault Lulu for turning down an engagement ring that is simply and unceremonionsly placed (actually amost 'tossed') on the kitchen table without a smile or a single word and delivered in the cold glare of a pregnancy announcement...... Infact, I would think that a woman of Lulu's age and experience who accepted a guy under those circumstances might be guilty of letting the pregnancy happen just to trap the guy into marriage.....Lulu's reaction, IMHO, shows her to be a woman of principle and caution. Now that said: If what we've seen on the air this season is reflective of what the relationship between N & L has become, then I really don't think they are suited to be married at all----and that's difficult for me to admit because I've wanted to see Nick and Lulu together since season #1.....But now, It seems to me that the spark between them has evaporated.....They don't seem to have any fun, or even, much of a friendship.....So, they've created a fetus but have they formed the basis of a good and loving marriage???That is the BIG QUESTION! As I said....I'm old fashioned. A little romance would be nice.....But there I am on......cloud9
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Post by Jennifer on Dec 20, 2003 19:50:29 GMT -5
Now that said: If what we've seen on the air this season is reflective of what the relationship between N & L has become, then I really don't think they are suited to be married at all----and that's difficult for me to admit because I've wanted to see Nick and Lulu together since season #1.....But now, It seems to me that the spark between them has evaporated.....They don't seem to have any fun, or even, much of a friendship.....So, they've created a fetus but have they formed the basis of a good and loving marriage???That is the BIG QUESTION! As I said....I'm old fashioned. A little romance would be nice.....But there I am on......cloud9 Great post cloud9, however, this is TG and I don't think they will do all this romantic stuff you were talking about. I think the chemistry is still there and I am optimistic that in the upcoming episodes, after the turmoil, things will slowly go back to the way it was.  I can't wait to see that happen. |
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 21, 2003 19:36:04 GMT -5
Jen:
I sure hope you're right because, otherwise, I'm outta here....... It's just too painful to hang around and watch N & L, two people that I like and who had such a delicious chemistry, make one another perfectly miserable.....cloud9
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Post by Eva_One on Dec 23, 2003 14:26:54 GMT -5
Cloud 9, I haven't visited these pages in quite a while and wanted to find out what others were thinking. I have been so disappointed with this season & in total agreement with your opinion. Maybe I just don't get it...but Nick & Lulu's relationship is too strange..even from the start...and any chemistry they had between them is certainly gone. I suppose I am old fashioned too & if the Writing doesn't improve...I'm with you..I'm outta here as well.  |
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Post by chanvitha on Dec 29, 2003 9:52:12 GMT -5
Hi, this is my first posting on this board! Romance has been completely lacking from Nick since that bunch of flowers (albeit wilted) he presented to Lulu in Season 2. I think chemistry is rife between them, but there's a lot of hurt and disappointment clouding their relationship - on Nick's coz 1) she decided to go to Berkeley 2) Because she refused his proposal. On Lulu's part because 1) He proposed in such a detached, moronic way 2)Everything's happened too fast 3) She knows Nick's hurt because she wouldn't marry him, but she doesn't know how to put it right
Chemistry is definitely not lacking here - if anything, they're too intense together...things have happened too quickly - Lulu's divorce, their relationship taking off, her decision to move away, her decision to stay, them moving in together, her pregnancy, his proposal ....I think she was right to say no ...it doesn't mean she doesn't want to be with him or eventually marry him, but she just needs more time.
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Post by iconicsoup on Jan 9, 2004 23:35:08 GMT -5
...... I prefer a little bit of moonlight and roses, words of commitment and love, some soft, romantic background music, a lovely dinner and fine wine served up in a beautiful setting when I receive a marriage proposal. Thank you very much.... Ewwwwwwww!! Sorry, but that would make me puke - either on TV or in real life. This is TG. No way was it ever going to happen that way. No way was Nick ever going to propose, in fact, unless prompted by something like a pregnancy, especially with Lulu's continued indifference to his existence. Ditto for Lulu, of course. Two-way street an' all that. Lulu did vastly less than Nick in terms of commitment to the relationship, and that was even before she decided to leave him altogether to move across the country. Hmm, nowhere near tossed. But I agree it wasn't romantic. It was the best Nick could do, not that Lulu cared. An unexpected pregnancy is the catalyst that prompts many a happy marriage. I think you mean "might be accused of letting the pregnancy happen", not guilty of letting it happen. Clearly Lulu didn't intend to get pregnant, despite her age and experience. It happens - to her, to other women. Her rejection shows her to be a woman of principle and caution, but her reaction showed her to be an unfeeling unsympathetic shrew. When will she learn to speak with grace? Can't argue with that. or that. |
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 10, 2004 12:24:29 GMT -5
i-soup:
I find your POV interesting. Thanks for sharing. ---cloud9
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 10, 2004 21:55:51 GMT -5
i-soup: 'Didn't have time to answer more this a.m. but I've been thinking about your reaction to a 'moonlight and roses' proposal. As I said, I admit that I'm hopelessly old fashioned about such things, but I can see that shows like 'The Bachelor, etc.' may have given that scenario a certain 'puke' factor. So----I'll try--now--- to think of a more Nick-appropriate and Lulu receptive setting for a proposal: 1. In a shared shower scene......2. During a grocery shopping excursion.....3. During a love scene....4. After the movies....5. On a lazy Sunday morning across the sports page....6. Getting ready for work when he's zipping up her dress....7. In the bathroom while he's shaving and she's brushing her teeth. 8. On a long weekend in the country....9. While watching old movies and eating popcorn before the fire. 10. Walking in the snow......., etc., etc., etc., etc.,---- .....my point being that Nick should have put more thought into the presentation and setting for his proposal. .....He certainly would never go into court without the preparation his case and without giving thought as to how to the judge might receive his agument.---JMO ----cloud9
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Post by iconicsoup on Jan 12, 2004 6:33:03 GMT -5
1. In a shared shower scene......2. During a grocery shopping excursion.....3. During a love scene....4. After the movies....5. On a lazy Sunday morning across the sports page....6. Getting ready for work when he's zipping up her dress....7. In the bathroom while he's shaving and she's brushing her teeth. 8. On a long weekend in the country....9. While watching old movies and eating popcorn before the fire. 10. Walking in the snow......., etc., etc., etc., etc.,---- .....my point being that Nick should have put more thought into the presentation and setting for his proposal. .....He certainly would never go into court without the preparation his case and without giving thought as to how to the judge might receive his agument.---JMO ----cloud9 Some of your scenarios I can see happening, although others are from an alternate universe. (This couple never goes to the movies. They never take a shower together. They never go for long weekends in the country or walk in the snow, so those situations are out as I see it. This relationship just doesn't get that far. This relationship is... bleccccch.) The way it did happen could be one more on the list - I don't see it as more or less romantic than some of the others. Nick asked Burton for his mother's ring - that's romantic, in and of itself (even if Lulu didn't know). He then waited at least a day for Burton to produce the ring. My guess is that he was in a state of high anticipation during that wait. Then he waited until he got home that night to present the ring to her... imagine, for a moment, that Lulu had wanted to marry him. Imagine her ecstatic response - regardless of what some see as an unromatic proposal. Her response would have been delight at the way he proposed... the silent, meaningful way he slid the ring box across the table, the earnest look in his eyes. Perhaps it's only because she rejected him that we're left with the impression of an unromantic proposal. Such a situation is extremely personal for any couple. One thing's for sure: it always reflects the personalities of those involved. I think this proposal reflected Nick's personality to a T. |
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Post by bakergirl on Jan 18, 2004 1:33:22 GMT -5
Some of your scenarios I can see happening, although others are from an alternate universe. (This couple never goes to the movies. They never take a shower together. They never go for long weekends in the country or walk in the snow, so those situations are out as I see it. This relationship just doesn't get that far. This relationship is... bleccccch.)  |
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