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Post by cecilia on Jul 19, 2003 20:32:01 GMT -5
I just found this song, in my old guitar notebook. And I thought it pictured pretty well Burton and Nick relationship (including Nick´s sighs...)
I love the song and I´m sure almost everybody knows it. But I´m posting it right now as an excuse to start talking about them again! (Lambertoise, isnt it funny that the other time we were looking for a song for them we both remembered "father and son" and not a line of this one?...You could write something else , dont you think so?)
(if some words or lines are wrong I´d love to know the right ones....so be my guest and correct them, please)
You who are on the road
must have a code that you can live by.
And so become yourself
because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well
their fathers´s hell did slowly go by
And feed them on your dreams
the one they picks, the one you´ll know by
Dont you ever ask them why,
if they told you you will cry
so just look at them and sigh
and know they love you.
And you, of tender years
cant know the fears that your elders grew by.
And so please help them with your youth
they seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well,
their children´s hell will slowly go by,
and feed them on your dreams
the one they picks, the one you´ll know by.
Dont you ever ask them why,
if they told you you will cry
so just look at them and sigh
and know they love you.
I guess it fits almost every father-child relationship, so we could talk not only Burton-Nick, but Caroline-LuLu (now that I´ve seen the season two tapes I´m ready for it, too!) , that it´s also conflicted but with different angles.
Anyone around to talk about this?...
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Post by bakergirl on Jul 20, 2003 14:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by cecilia on Jul 20, 2003 18:01:58 GMT -5
bakergirl, that was all?...... We were talking about this with other tgfans, and there were very interesting thoughts. I guess everything started talking about "Ambition", and how different were the interactions between B/N and C/LL. Even when LuLu seems to be ticked and upset because she has her mother around, and shows that she is as much a brat as Nick, she and her mother also end relating in a smoother way, besides LuLu holds herself together and asks her no to step in her life. Could this be a sign that DH and his crew believe, as many other people, that the world would be less violent and conflicts would be solved easily if the world would be ruled by women?..... Any thoughts?......  |
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Post by bakergirl on Jul 20, 2003 18:26:59 GMT -5
 Sorry........ I wanna talk about the EMMY'S, and why "The Guardian" wasn't nominated, but one - Farrah Fawcett! Of all the wonderful people that work on "The Guardian," they could only come up with one nomination for a guest appearance? And what is so great about Kiefer Sutherland?  I hate "24"!!... 
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Post by cecilia on Jul 20, 2003 19:09:58 GMT -5
...ok, if you insist on ruining my thread.... I can´t believe F Fawcett has been nominated and I never watched 24. I guess they nominated her because they thought she would never come back and this is sort of a welcoming. K. Sutherland is a terrific actor, but he never hooked me as S. Baker did, so, to me, SB as NF does a better job than KS in 24. And those were my two cents........................:littleangel:
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Post by bakergirl on Jul 20, 2003 20:56:45 GMT -5
Sorry Cecilia,...  ... it wasn't my intention to ruin your thread! Tomorrow I start another one about the EMMY'S! I'm still mad as hell!  |
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Post by cecilia on Jul 21, 2003 6:18:21 GMT -5
bakergirl, I was kidding!.... I was about to ask mb20 to change the name of the thread, so we can talk about anything we want!.... I like this board, and LOVE the smileys....let´s keep talking about whatever we want, ok?  .... |
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Post by fourbeccaone on Jul 21, 2003 22:35:18 GMT -5
Cec,
Good idea. Talking and rambling on. Every thread of interest.
I can't believe Cupid is being shown again tomorrow. I can't believe it is getting good reviews. It could only show how sick our society has become. The girl looking for a husband is so beautiful. Are we to believe she is really having trouble getting a decent date!! And the "men" that have been found for her to inspect....get real!!! The singles life can't be so cruel. Please....
They need a reality check... maybe an episode or two starring the one and only SB.
Back to Nick Fallin: Let's talk about the episode "Where are you"(think this is correct title): kid finder episode.
Burton told Rob that Nick never told him why he was summoned to NY. Just that he had a little problem. Rob filled in Burton of all the particulars of the incident embellishing the story probably. He seemed to have a flair for the dramatics. If you noticed in the beginning, Nick and Burton didn't seem pleased Rob was seeking their help. They seemed to be annoyed with his pressence. Burton reminded Nick that they owed Rob one for helping Nick in NY. Yet later in the episode, Burton told Rob he never knew what happened in NY. Nick never told him. In the end Nick dismissed Rob's explanation and said he had a little problem and asked Rob to call his Dad. I think Nick is still having trouble coming to grips with the drug problem, still making light of it, denying it was a problem. the only problem being that he got caught. I think we haven't seen that last of Colin Benett. Nick's recent despair over Lulu leaving might just put him over the edge. At least tempted. He can be recklous. But he can never get caught because that will equal jail time and envoke the sentence from the first conviction. It will not give him more community service--darn!!( looking for insurance for a fourth season). So, any ideas on this. Do you think the drug issue will rise again? Is Nick in denial?
fourbeccaone
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Post by Lindatheeditor on Jul 21, 2003 23:28:49 GMT -5
fourbeccaone, if Nick slips it will have to be in such a way that no one officially knows about it precisely for the reasons you gave.Nick Fallin in The Guardian of the children --and some of the adults--in the cases he's assigned at LSP. He can't do that from prison (not according to the show's premise, anyway!). That's why he had to get out from under in one ep in Textimony. I can see him slipping or possibly starting to over Lulu. Burton being caught up in the Shannon mess (God, I hope we've seen the last of her) and too preoccupied to notice or help would send the B-N relationship back to square one and provide some fodder for an ep or two, ditto Lulu. Nick falling off the abstinence wagon could be cause for plenty of angst. Prison doesn't have to figure into it, although the threat might be a useful plot tool.
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Post by cecilia on Jul 22, 2003 6:39:19 GMT -5
(I love to see this is working :angel2:)
I definitely believe Nick is going to slip back. He has to!....there´s no way they intend us to believe he is "cured"...he is sober and has his tendencies under control, but the last episode was a complete sample of "horrors"!. Not even his tux:thud:can redeem the beating at the parking lot, and, imo, Nick has developed a conscience...or some conscience and knows perfectly well this was WRONG. And I insist on this: I think he is going to resent Burton after this, because he tried to avoid the confrontation with the guy, while Burton dragged him (not directly, but he would obviously go to stand for his father).
No jail, but something must fall over them!...
fourbeccaone, my thought in "where you are" (I watched it yesterday again...I like the plot and the kid) was that Nick was uncomfortable having Rob around, while Burton saw a chance to get another piece of Nick´s past, all those years he miss!...
Rob is sort of creepy, but I´m not sure Nick is telling the truth; I guess this is another "stalker" or "closed door": we´ll never know the truth. Or maybe it´s like that japanese play (Rashomon): all the versions were true, all the versions were different and even opposite!
But Nick´s drug issues are on the top of my list of threads I´d like to see next season (and in the fourth season, and in the fifth, and...:bouncing:
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Post by fourbeccaone on Jul 22, 2003 7:04:33 GMT -5
Cecilia,
I couldn't agree more. There is a lot of angst building between father and son due I believe to Burton"s insensitiveness. Never talks to Nick about adopting Shannon, the whole fake court trial,etc. Nick is not completely innocent in all this. Although he has matured somewhat, he still has unresolved issues. Issues I hope won't tempt him to loose control and not care anymore.
I too did not like the Shannon scenerio. I still feel they should have kept Sarah Smalley coming in ocassionally. She had a great way of nailing Burton(one way and another-sorry-couldn't help myself!). There could have been a lot of angst between those two with Nick involved picking up the pieces. Also, Sarah picking up the pieces, helping Nick with the angst between father and son. Building a rapport and trust. Much like with Laurie, but more involved in episodes. (Laurie was hardly seen after the effort they put into developing her character with Nick.) Also, Sarah had a college age son who could have been an intricate sideline angst between Nick and Burton (more feasible scenerio then Shannon vs Nick). Just rambling again.
Nice post Cecilia.
It's good morning here. A beautiful sunshiny day. Hope yours will be too!!
fourbeccaone
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Post by jevees on Jul 22, 2003 19:06:15 GMT -5
Sorry........ I wanna talk about the EMMY'S, and why "The Guardian" wasn't nominated, but one - Farrah Fawcett! Of all the wonderful people that work on "The Guardian," they could only come up with one nomination for a guest appearance? And what is so great about Kiefer Sutherland? I hate "24"!!... Sorry, ceci I have to say somethinng about this too.... 24 makes me  |
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Post by jevees on Jul 22, 2003 19:17:19 GMT -5
OK, Now something about nick and burton relationship, I think that Nick is always putting his angst on hold against his dad, I don`t know why, I put in a fanfic that it was because of a promise that N had made to his mom but well just another big question mark in TGland... ;D I still want B and N to work things out and i think the best way is that Nick realise his anger from once and for all for all. He needs to talk to Burton and probably send him to hell..... I know it`s kind of hard, but he needs to leave things in the past but first he has to deal with them...Just a thought!!! I want the third season NOW!!!!! Give me my son god!!!  |
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Post by cecilia on Jul 23, 2003 17:52:34 GMT -5
"Where you are" I was rewatching it, and have some questions or thoughts about this episode: (it´s probably one of the meanest-Nick) -when they talk about getting real kids for the tests, and he strokes his lips  he already knows what´s the next step (and this is after LuLu melting while watching his pics and slides, and Brian telling him she was watching them); -he goes to LuLu´s office, to show her the kidfinder, and pours all the Fallins´s charm over her, because he knows the thing is sort of "spooky" and Alvin will kick his ass if goes to him; -he also pushes LuLu when they are at the CR of f&f with rob, and she doubts about the procedure...he certainly knows where to press, playing the innocent; -at the incline, when the guys are doing cocaine...he is worried about his probation and also, imo, doesnt like at all people doing what he cant and like so much! -his remorse lasts like....3 minutes?....not longer than that he follows his father to close business. Wouldnt he, at least, give a donation to Dee´s family or any institution in Pittsburgh?... We talk a lot why does LuLu believe he is unattached to things and teflon-man, but he makes his best efforts to prove her right! (and if in third season he "falls in love" with another girl, she´d certainly be right about her answer and not telling him "I love you too"....he´d prove sort of inconsistent feelings. That´s why I dont want to see a new love interest, I guess: I want to believe in Nick!  ) |
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Post by fourbeccaone on Jul 23, 2003 18:40:23 GMT -5
Cec,
"Bad boys linger." I just love that phrase!!
Yes, I too would like to see Nick moping over Lulu in third season. After all it has been one and half seasons watching the two evolve into a real relationship (even though I think Lulu is still confused--and rightfully so--Nick does have his way around women--not much show of romance--only lust{romance asked for, complied with--flowers,dinner with lsp guests--never a show of love and romance on his own personal level}. But , if he did truly love her, which I feel he did( not capable of an outward show of emotions), the feeling would not end so abruptly. Maybe this new love interest will be only one sided ( with Lulu lurking in the back ground-wondering, puzzled, confused).
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...by: Crosby, Stills and Nash....
Sorry........
... it wasn't my intention to ruin your thread!