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Post by Ginne on May 18, 2003 0:31:52 GMT -5
She may not have targeted me publicly on this board, but she did very much so in private.
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Post by iconicsoup on May 18, 2003 7:29:46 GMT -5
It might be worth pointing out that this is a private board that someone set up for her own reasons, and as such she's entitled to moderate it any way she chooses. Also, as Gin suggests, things may have happened in private that we don't know about.
When you post on a moderated board you are bound by rules - or for that matter by the whims of the moderators - and that's how it should be. For a different "flavour" of discussion, SBOL is unmoderated and anyone can post there.
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Post by mb20 on May 18, 2003 9:40:21 GMT -5
I've already posted the reasons as to why Rosiii's been asked to leave. I'm sorry people, but I don't see why this is still up for discussion. Rosiiii won't be returning to this board, she's had her account deleted, and so have those other iiiitchy members (I certainly don't call that "getting away cleanly", do you?).
A few members in this thread have already justified why they liked her, her posts & her fan fictions. I understand that she will be missed. Maybe she could post her fanfics elsewhere, or even start up a TG group of her own. It's worth a thought.
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Post by bakergirl on May 18, 2003 15:03:52 GMT -5
gwenlaetner wrote: That was exactly what I was planning to do when all hell broke loose - after I told Rosiiii I was not going to play her games anymore! Besides, every time the subject Rosiiii comes up, it starts all over again. This is not a debate, nor competition, to see who likes Rosiiii and who doesn't!! So this is the last time I will ever respond to the "Rosiiii" subject in general.  Well I've never read any posts from her on this board where she targeted and was hostile towards you or anyone else. The Rosiiii drama has been going on much longer than you might know, and it really baffles me that all the vulgar language, and hostility expressed by Rosiiii (when she's on her ranting mission) is not recognized by the people who do like her. She has hurt, insulted and offended many people who had a different point of view.........even when she just posted as a guest.  PLease go back, and take a look at "The Guardian" Board; page 4, and then read the thread: "She's Going To Live" - starting with page 2......just follow the conversation and you might get my drift!!!!! How about Sarah ?........you all liked Sarah very much, (and by the way, that was another outburst of Rosiiii when some posters were making some nasty remarks about Sarah's writing style.......but the whole thing got out of hand, and could have been avoided...that's all I'm saying!) and so there should be no reason why her fanfic won't be read anymore!  And Rosiiii's fanfic.......I think you can still read that at "nick fallin.com"; I'm sure. |
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Post by atotaltotalfan2001 on May 18, 2003 18:44:48 GMT -5
Interesting that just the mention of Rosiii's name brings up such bitterness. She had good points and bad points. And I felt she was often baited.
But when she took the bait, she went immediately out of control, searing everyone in her path, including people like me, who often appreciated her point of view and liked her when she was acting rational.
Those who baited her were often catty IMO -- my impression was they had been badly burned already and were bitter about it. But her response was far too offensive to be excused. She hurt a lot of people who never did a thing to her but disagree with her. It seems like she just couldn't help it.
Anyway, I understand why she was banned and appreciate it. There are many others at this site who share her POV and express it without the slash and burn attitude.
In any case, Rosiiii can start her own board. Joining that would be an interesting experience
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Post by gwenlaetner42 on May 18, 2003 20:09:50 GMT -5
Logging on again to say I did as you suggested bakergirl and eagerly went back to the thread you suggested I read that contains what you say is Rosiiii's vulgar hostility and found no such thing. I recalled reading it at the time, and found nothing wrong with it then either. But just to make sure I read the whole thread and the opinions Rosiii shared were similiar to those made by cloud9 in the same thread. The thread was about why Lulu gets bashed and what may be behind it.
Rosiiii wrote two posts after a lot of people had already posted, and she mentioned no one by name. It seems however, there were those who jumped the gun in anticipation of what they thought she might say, or maybe they didn't like her very well-put outlook, and so they told her to shut it. That's when she seems to get upset and feels like she's being attacked for expressing herself. Which is understandable. So if that's your example of her vulgarity it really doesn't wash with me.
Everyone has their own point of view bakergirl, some may say you were being vulgar bakergirl when you posted your f.u. & raspberry smileys to Rosiii and said that she didn't have any points to make in the thread Lulu's Job Offer. I recalled thinking you had gone off half-cocked yourself. Has Rosiii ever said anything that even comes close to being that mean here?
I'm sorry but I find you one of the least objective people on this board on the subject of Rosiii bakergirl, along with others who have recently commented so I would say the subject should be dropped.
My point remains the same, cecilia posted what she felt and others agreed with her sharing their feelings. Your comments and those of others who didn't like her only serve to upset those who wanted to share what they missed about her and what she gave to these boards, not get in a fight about it. You're not going to change their minds I don't think, so why argue or get upset?
Once again, her thread is the most often discussed here, isn't that funny. It makes me think that without Rosiiis threads and fanfictions, and without the topic of Lulu this website might be a ghost town. We'll see come season 3. I'm still waiting on those fanfictions, and yes I do like sarah's fic, but she hasn't posted in days, and she might not. The deleted posts are what truly upsets me. I hope she does start her own site, I'll join up and yes I agree it will be very interesting.
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Post by iconicsoup on May 18, 2003 22:25:31 GMT -5
Logging on again to say I did as you suggested bakergirl and eagerly went back to the thread you suggested I read that contains what you say is Rosiiii's vulgar hostility and found no such thing. Regarding that particular thread, perhaps it was the references to "incessant ugly snarking", "contemptuous nature", "viciousness", "hostility", "incredible anger" and a questioning of posters' motivations (all in the first post, when everyone else was discussing a fictional character in a TV show, and no one had felt the need to include personal insults while exchanging opinions) that caused the bad feeling. |
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Post by kwintet123 on May 18, 2003 22:48:46 GMT -5
I think the problem a lot of people had with Rosiiii was that she would attack the poster as opposed to just disagreeing with the post.
She has, in the past accused me of being a brown-noser, arse licker, and several other very unsavoury comments. And all because I ventured to say that I didn't like the way WM was portraying LuLu. Not on this board no, because I completely stopped posting when she came on to the board, knowing what would happen if I stated my point of view.
It really nice to be able to post again.
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Post by spunkymungbeans on May 18, 2003 23:30:36 GMT -5
Hi Kwintet123,
Nice to see you posting again. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you on this board.
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Post by gwenlaetner42 on May 19, 2003 2:08:31 GMT -5
Thanks iconicsoup, but I think you may want to go back and read it again, because Rosiiii used those words to describe the feeling some have towards Lulu. I don't believe she was describing anyone by name or referred to anyone personally. Some people are hostile and contemptuous towards this character, and what's wrong with her pointing that out?
You're also mistaken about no one else discussing chatboard and webfans motivations in that thread. It was actually cloud9 who got the ball rolling by saying some posters may see Lulu as a rival. She too mentioned no one by name. I believe it was she, who rosiii was responding to when she first posted, and yet no one confronted cloud9.
I'm sure you and others are aware of recent incidents where personal insults were flung Rosiii's way and she was baited. She was minding her own business, and she was attacked by people who not only disliked her, but apparently wanted to ruin some of these threads for the rest of us. Yet there seems to be an attitude among some people posting here, that she got what she deserved.
I say that because not one of the people posting now voiced any outrage over what was done to her, and bakergirl even went as far as to complain about what she says was Rosiiii's outburst over being called names. I think that's an odd perspective. I have a hard time believing that bakergirl would have taken such insults lying down, so why would she expect Rosiii to.
I personally don't like being bombarded like this, and have decided that occasionally lurking fits my personality better. You might want to start your own thread about Rosiiii, that way I'll know which one one not to read. For now, I'll just assume that those who share these attitudes have taken over this one and I won't be back.
If the trend continues and those that not only want to complain about Rosiiii, but who also call for an end to the Lulu role in general, start posting here, it will probably dry up the posts and fanfiction that I come here to read. Nick Fallin plus romantic fiction equals me there with bells on. Much more than Rosiii, I believe negative attitudes about this fictional relationship will be the true inhibitor of posts, at least of posts that I like to read.
But that's the nature of boards, the majority rules, and if that's the way this site will change, so be it. I'll just lurk less. Already my interest level has been decreased significantly just from the attitudes I've seen posted about the show in this thread.
Have a good summer.
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Post by Hales on May 19, 2003 4:38:52 GMT -5
Going to stick my two cents here, but first welcome back to the board Kwintet123, I missed you!  Secondly my opinion of Rosiiii will probably fall on deaf ears (I'm used to that), but Rosiiii to me was trying to make a point (which is fair) to a certain extent, but when someone got to the point where they disagreed with what she said, Rosiiii would seem to fire back with something insulting every three or four posts, I don't want to single out a certain person but not everyone likes to get called names... and then say in a sarcastic way the term 'dahlin' (yes call it pathetic, but not everyone wants to be called a 'dahlin' by someone they disagree with on a messageboard). Hello Gwenlaetner42, your new right? welcome to the board I know you've read the thread so you know and have your right for your point of view and I respect that, but if you knew Rosiiii when she was indeed going off her 'top' and name calling then you'd probably feel a little fed up yourself, try being a victim to her and then see how you feel... Like I said welcome to the board... and you have a fabulous Summer yourself... and everyone else who is going to suffer through sunny, lovely and hotter temperatures *wistfully* meanwhile I hope all the people living in the Southern Hemisphere will have a fabulous freezing Winter  |
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Post by iconicsoup on May 19, 2003 7:31:36 GMT -5
Thanks iconicsoup, but I think you may want to go back and read it again, because Rosiiii used those words to describe the feeling some have towards LuLu. I don't believe she was describing anyone by name or referred to anyone personally. Some people are hostile and contemptuous towards this character, and what's wrong with her pointing that out? Like your predecessor, you seem to have a different definition of "personal insults" from me. The words used in that post were insulting and were directed at people who held a different opinion about the character (it has nothing to do with whether people were named - it has to do with attacking a person instead of an opinion). No one previously in that thread had said anything insulting. Hales - I very much doubt "gwenlaetner42" will ever become a victim of Rosiiii.  |
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Post by spunkymungbeans on May 19, 2003 7:49:45 GMT -5
At least we still have seven episodes to go here. I also have my second season tapes to keep me warm over winter.
I can't see it happening either. As I wrote to Gwen only this morning:
"I am impressed at your ability to emulate the style of Rosiiii's posts. How you have the eloquence to state in ten paragraphs what us lesser mortals could barely manage in two. How you are not afraid to restate the same opinion many times to ensure clarity."
Its almost as if Rosiiii has never left.
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Post by mb20 on May 19, 2003 7:59:25 GMT -5
After a little careful consideration, I've come to the conclusion that gwenlaetner42 is, in fact, our good friend Rosiiii.  Not only do they sound the same, argue in much the same way, share the same paranoid fixation on the anti-LuLu factor ... they, most importantly, have the same IP address.  |
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Post by Hales on May 19, 2003 8:04:16 GMT -5
:rofl: Way to go, I knew but I didn't want to be a uh, ah...
Iconic - hee! your right... but still it would have been fun if Rosiiii, I mean Gwen insulted herself for a change :devilgrin:
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